Team-BHP - Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyryder Review

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Originally Posted by Vid6639 (Post 5388995)

As with all Toyotas, the standard warranty for the Urban Cruiser Hyryder is 3 years or 1 lakh km, which can be extendable up to 5 years or 2.2 lakh km. The warranty for the Hybrid battery is for 8 years. We always recommend purchasing the maximum possible extended warranty available for added peace of mind.

A very basic and probably a dumb question on Hybrid cars such as Hyryder/City Hybrid. Let's take a case where the Hybrid battery dies after 8 years, is it compulsory to replace the battery to get the car moving or the car can continue to work with no EV benefits? I am asking this because computer laptops generally work with power source even if the battery is dead. This comparison probably makes no sense, but just trying see what would it mean to replace the battery after 8 years when the resale value of the car would have fallen significantly already.

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Originally Posted by skarthiksr (Post 5395220)

Most Hybrids continue to work but the petrol engine remains on a lot more and the FE then matches a petrol car vs a real hybrid. You will lose the savings in running cost gradually.

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Originally Posted by skarthiksr (Post 5395220)

I do not think they work if the battery is dead, the engine start/ stop does not work as they do not have alternators.

My reasoning in the case of Hyryder is, if there is no battery the ecvt cannot work resulting in stall.

For City hybrid, may work ideally but the programming may not be designed for such a condition

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Originally Posted by Vid6639 (Post 5395244)

The e-CVT is a planetary gearbox with a power split device. The electric motor gets power from 2 sources. Either the battery or the petrol engine. If the battery is dead power comes from the petrol engine at all times.

Video explains how a lot of Toyota's work with dead hybrid batteries.

If the battery is dead, how will the engine starts, read somewhere that these cars don't have starter motors.

In the video, he repaired the dead battery.

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Originally Posted by SKC-auto (Post 5395241)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwUEVx5G3U

The e-CVT is a planetary gearbox with a power split device. The electric motor gets power from 2 sources. Either the battery or the petrol engine. If the battery is dead power comes from the petrol engine at all times.

Video explains how a lot of Toyota's work with dead hybrid batteries.

My feeling is that if a battery replacement is needed after 8-9 years, it may end up coming at around 1-1.5 L as per present day prices. So this may effectively wipe out quite a bit of gains due to fuel efficiency gains. Moreover one has already paid the premium for the hybrid technology at the time of purchase as well. So as such, this may have an appeal for the green warriors, and may not appeal on the financial or driving pleasure aspects.

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Originally Posted by SKC-auto (Post 5395241)

I do not think they work if the battery is dead, the engine start/ stop does not work as they do not have alternators.

I am no expert but think it will still run like a normal ICE vehicle if the hybrid battery is dead, some features may not work, but alternate methods should keep the vehicle running without hybrid benefits obviously.

I can't imagine the vehicle stalling due to battery issue even when it is new, then the car is dead until warranty is claimed to replace the battery (Not sure if separate charging/repairing the battery works).

I don't know if the engine start/stop powered from hybrid battery or normal battery.

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Originally Posted by hummer (Post 5395413)

So here is my conclusion after trying to understand the technology, the car is dead if the hybrid battery is dead.

1. The car does not come with alternator(starter motor), the engine is started by the electric motors powered by hybrid battery.

2. Since the car does not have alternator, the 12V battery which is charged from dc-dc convertor from the hybrid battery also dies quickly. So all the car electrical are dead, no power windows and other stuff which run on 12V battery.

3. As we know without the gears and clutch the ICE powertrain stalls, since there is no clutch in this powertrain, the electric motor acts like a clutch and gear(eCVT), since the battery is dead and motors cannot run, the ICE engine cannot pull the car from standstill(if somehow you are lucky enough to start the engine).

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Originally Posted by hummer (Post 5395777)

Though this review is not great, couldn't resist posting as this is the first time I saw the black HYRYDER Neo Drive All Wheel Drive version.

HYRYDER looks awesome in black:loveit

This is not just the first black Hyryder but a non-hybrid AWD one!!
The boot looks good. If only, they gave AT+AWD+ all top end features as an option.:disappointed
I fail to understand the argument around pricing. They can have more models catering to different price points. I am sure AT+AWD would have got more traction from the market.

Another interesting observation that has emerged in the Next Gen Innova thread is that the HyRyder is not a "proper" Toyota. It is more like a Maruti car with the Toyota hybrid powertrain transplanted into it.

If somebody interested in "proper" Toyota (all parts from the Toyota bins), then the Toyota HyCross is the upcoming strong hybrid in the queue. But that will need a really "proper" fat wallet.

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Originally Posted by hummer (Post 5395777)

Though this review is not great, couldn't resist posting as this is the first time I saw the black HYRYDER Neo Drive All Wheel Drive version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AstBo_wSeU

HYRYDER looks awesome in black:loveit

Thanks for sharing. This is the exact variant color that I have booked. But the wait is getting terrible now :Frustrati

Oh black looks gorgeous. I have also booked the same for strong hybrid.

I feel they can bring substantially down price as present commodity prices have dropped by close to 35%.

Along with if they can get government subsidy for hybrid, I think they can very much give an astonishing introductory price.

So the wait is good as that shall bring down cost.