[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by bivision

I was not too sure of functionality distribution between the two.

Smart Hybrid (Lithium Ion) battery is used only for 2 functions -
Torque Assist and Idle Stop-Start

Originally Posted by bivision

I think I will ask them to full charge the batteries in my next service.

No, they cannot charge Li-ion battery separately. This battery is purely controlled by the car's BMS (Battery Management System). Only trained personnel are allowed to handle this type of battery to avoid inadvertent damage to BMS. There is also a risk of fire / explosion if this battery is removed without following a strict SOP, or dropped or charged incorrectly using external chargers. Only few major service centres of MSIL in tier 1-2 cities have such personnel available who are trained to handle this type of battery.

Service centers will not even charge the Lead-acid battery. MSIL guidelines for service centres allows them to only top-up the distilled water in battery. Some service centers may charge the battery as a courtesy service but honestly they are not trained to do that, you better go to a battery shop, they do it professionally and can also check the specific gravity of the electrolyte using a digital hydrometer.

Originally Posted by bivision

Is the Li-ion battery bar dropping to 2-3 bars and remain so normal for 1.5 yr old battery?

Yes, perfectly normal.
Most often, driving in slow moving traffic in city, wherein car's speed rarely exceeds 40~50 kmph (average 25 kmph), the battery does not get enough opportunity to charge beyond 3 bars and that 3rd bar is expended quickly after a torque assist of just 30 seconds. BMS prevents it to drop below 2 bars and then "torque assist" and "Idle Stop-Start" functionality is unavailable. Thus you will find most Brezzas' struck at 2 bars while in the city. I have been able to achieve 5 bars only when driving on highways or driving down inclines continuously for 2~3 minutes at speeds above 28 kmph.

Most people don't understand the true behaviour of this Smart Hybrid technology. Even you-tubers and social media influencers who post car review videos cannot explain why battery is struck at 2 bars, they simply say "don't know why it is not working"

[Small Bot]

Originally Posted by msingh

The handle/trim piece of my sunroof shade came off (see attached image). The service advisor is asking for around ₹6,000 to replace the entire sunroof shade, which seems excessive.

Has anyone dealt with this? Can it be fixed without replacing the whole assembly? Looking for DIY tips, adhesive suggestions

6000₹ for the sunroof cover replacement does seem overly expensive. I suspect half of it would be just labour charges. This is how Maruti service centres earn their money too. There is no concept of fixing, they only replace.

I tried checking, but I'm unable to find that exact sunroof cover part online. Would it be worthwhile checking with other service centres or with an Maruti Genuine Accessories outlet?

That said, it's not a part that is very difficult to fix. I think even a local mechanic would be able to fix that with some strong adhesives, at a fraction of the cost of a new sunroof cover.

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Most often, driving in slow moving traffic in city, wherein car's speed rarely exceeds 40~50 kmph (average 25 kmph), the battery does not get enough opportunity to charge beyond 3 bars and that 3rd bar is expended quickly after a torque assist of just 30 seconds. BMS prevents it to drop below 2 bars and then "torque assist" and "Idle Stop-Start" functionality is unavailable. Thus you will find most Brezzas' struck at 2 bars while in the city. I have been able to achieve 5 bars only when driving on highways or driving down inclines continuously for 2~3 minutes at speeds above 28 kmph.

That's exactly what I've experienced. I've seen it at 2 or 3 bars only throughout my ownership, maybe reached 4 bars once during prolonged coasting on the highway.

Very nicely explained, btw. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by msingh

The handle/trim piece of my sunroof shade came off (see attached image). The service advisor is asking for around ₹6,000 to replace the entire sunroof shade, which seems excessive.

I had to take a picture of that sun shade on my car to understand how it was fixed. There are 3 components ..

1> The white grab handle that you are holding in your picture
2> The black plastic bracket that sits on top.
3> a pair of screws that hold them together



msingh, tell me how you managed to rip it off? That is no flimsy assembly, it is secured with 2 screws ! Even with brute force one cannot rip it off easily.
Secondly where is the top bracket and 2 screws? Without that it won't hold in place. If you are going to fix it with adhesive like Fevibond then it would need to be propped from beneath with a stick till it is cured (5 hours). Don't forget to do it with clean hands or else there would be ugly smudges on the lining.

Originally Posted by Small Bot

6000₹ for the sunroof cover replacement does seem overly expensive. I suspect half of it would be just labour charges.

Indeed it is expensive. MSIL parts are no longer cheap for top end models.

[msingh]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

I had to take a picture of that sun shade on my car to understand how it was fixed. There are 3 components ..

1> The white grab handle that you are holding in your picture
2> The black plastic bracket that sits on top.
3> a pair of screws that hold them together

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msingh, tell me how you managed to rip it off? That is no flimsy assembly, it is secured with 2 screws ! Even with brute force one cannot rip it off easily.
Secondly where is the top bracket and 2 screws? Without that it won't hold in place. If you are going to fix it with adhesive like Fevibond then it would need to be propped from beneath with a stick till it is cured (5 hours). Don't forget to do it with clean hands or else there would be ugly smudges on the lining.


Indeed it is expensive. MSIL parts are no longer cheap for top end models.

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I had parked my car outside in bright sunlight for a couple of hours. When I got in, I saw the grab handle lying on the floor, with part of it still attached to the black bracket by a thread. Which adhesive should I use? Should I go for normal Fevicol?

[ShamratHz]

Originally Posted by digitalnirvana

Is the Brezza backseat comfortable for 3 plus sized adults? I guess no from the review, and here the Fronx is better, but I wanted to ask nonetheless. The Fronx has a couple of other deal breakers but the backseat width is currently a deal breaker for the Brezza for me.

How come Fronx rear seat better than Brezza for three adults. I mean, isn't the width of the Brezza is greater than the Fronx ? Just curious as I'm unable to decide between these two car.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by msingh

Which adhesive should I use? Should I go for normal Fevicol?

Good that you have the black bracket. Avoid using adhesive, and certainly not Fevicol. Find the screws, even if you cannot find the screws, don't use adhesive as it won't last for long. Go to a local mechanic and ask him to fix it with the original or similar screws using a 'mini ratchet wrench' type screwdriver.

Originally Posted by msingh

Which adhesive should I use? Should I go for normal Fevicol?

Good that you have the black bracket. Avoid using adhesive, and certainly not Fevicol. Find the screws, even if you cannot find the screws, don't use adhesive as it won't last for long. Go to a local mechanic and ask him to fix it with the original or similar screws using a 'mini ratchet wrench' type screwdriver.

[SaturdayRider]

In my last trip the SHVS system did not work for first 20kms. I was on an open road and able to maintain 50-55kmhr. Li-ion battery recharge during deceleration, torque assist & auto start-stop didn't work during that time. No errors in console as well. Then I turned on the AC and SHVS started working as expected throughout the trip.
I am experiencing this first time. Please let me know what could be the issue. Planning to go to the service centre to do an ecu scan.

[Small Bot]

My fuel economy so far. Probably 11000 of the 13700 kms travelled was within the city and in moderate to nasty traffic.

[msingh]

Originally Posted by Small Bot

6000₹ for the sunroof cover replacement does seem overly expensive. I suspect half of it would be just labour charges. This is how Maruti service centres earn their money too. There is no concept of fixing, they only replace.

I tried checking, but I'm unable to find that exact sunroof cover part online. Would it be worthwhile checking with other service centres or with an Maruti Genuine Accessories outlet?

That said, it's not a part that is very difficult to fix. I think even a local mechanic would be able to fix that with some strong adhesives, at a fraction of the cost of a new sunroof cover.



That's exactly what I've experienced. I've seen it at 2 or 3 bars only throughout my ownership, maybe reached 4 bars once during prolonged coasting on the highway.

Very nicely explained, btw. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Fixed it using Fevicol Shoefix, job done in less than 50 Rs

[CheeseGuy]

Any suggestions on which 7D mats should I get for my new Brezza?
I have been reading mixed reviews everywhere in our forums as well as elsewhere;
and am looking for some reliable opinions before buying.

[ACMerchant]

Originally Posted by CheeseGuy

Any suggestions on which 7D mats should I get for my new Brezza?
I have been reading mixed reviews everywhere in our forums as well as elsewhere;
and am looking for some reliable opinions before buying.

You will find your answers in this post
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modif...ml#post5848508 (3D KAGU & Other Premium Mats)

[digitalnirvana]

So I keep circling back to the Fronx vs Brezza.

To me the Fronx / Taisor makes more sense as its a proper 5 seater plus would be easier to maintain if bought new, but the Turbo petrol is scaring me as this car will be in the hands of a driver and mainly used for school runs.

I won't buy a Brezza top end new as its too expensive for a 4 seater, but there's a twist as I see 2 year old 33k km run ZXI+ AT on Spinny for 10.81+1% TCS = 11L in Kolkata including RC transfer. A full service plus new tyres probably a lakh more. A new one is approximately 14L right? Is going for the Fronx better considering fuel efficiency or should I just book this pre-owned one? Does Spinny allow for inspection in Maruti ASS before purchasing?

What would be the right choice?

I have to reluctantly cancel the Windsor off my list due to charging point unavailability.

[DCEite]

Originally Posted by digitalnirvana

So I keep circling back to the Fronx vs Brezza.

To me the Fronx / Taisor makes more sense as its a proper 5 seater plus would be easier to maintain

What would be the right choice?

1. Neither FronX nor Brezza is a true 5 seater. Infact, very few cars this side of 20 lacs can claim to comfortably seat 3 at the back. I would rate FronX and Brezza at par. Actually, Brezza is better because there is no compromise on rear headroom unlike FronX(this was a deal breaker for me personally on the FronX).

2. Both Brezza and FronX would be as cheap and easy to maintain. There is no clear upper hand of FronX over Brezza here. Remember, the K15C on the Brezza is the largest selling engine of India currently, and every mechanic in any nook and corner of the country can repair it. This is just an example.

3. FronX Turbo if only chauffer driven is an overkill. Why don't you consider the 1.2 NA ?

4. Fuel efficiency of 1.5NA Brezza would be better than the FronX 1.0 turbo, but the FronX 1.2 NA is more fuel efficient than the Brezza 1.5


Hope that helps.

[digitalnirvana]

Originally Posted by DCEite

Hope that helps.

Thanks very much it indeed does help.

I'll take a look at the 1.2 NA Fronx manual prices and decide between that and the 2 year old Brezza AT.

Either way it will be a compromise purchase and one that doesn't greatly excite me, but I really need a reliable car and hence my beloved silver elephant Aria must go.

In terms of looks I personally like the Fronx front-end better than the Brezza but on the other hand the Brezza has many more features, and being an automatic should be a bit more future proof.

[It's Magic]

Originally Posted by digitalnirvana

I keep circling back to the Fronx vs Brezza.

Are you specifically looking for a Maruti car? Any particular reason?

If the car will mainly be used for school runs or city driving, why not consider a hatchback like the Hyundai i10 Nios or Maruti Swift? Both are easy to drive in the city and will save you some money.

If you’re looking for a more premium feel, you might want to check out the Hyundai i20.