[sjain2054]

Originally Posted by samitjain

Just took delivery of hybrid ZX honda city on Sunday.

There was good enough discount and due to nil road tax on hybrids in UP, the net price on road was less than 20 lakhs including a few accessories.

Please help me with your dealer name and number. I can speak to the same sales person and try and get the same deal for myself.

Does this mean that the Honda City ZX Hybrid is for roughly the same on road price (after discounts etc) as the Honda City Petrol ZX?

Originally Posted by Kevinrevvz

I recommend you to blindly go for the hybrid. My e:HEV has been absolutely blissful. The performance is addictive and the NVH, usability, FE.. is leaps and bounds ahead of the standard City. Even if you don’t care about the mileage, just the driving experience is worth it.

I read through a lot of your posts and I am still left with some questions. For my next car, it will either be an EV or a Hybrid. If I have to drive an ICE car, I will continue with my Nano/Grand i10 because my running is not much. I just need a car with future tech to replace the Nano and keep for long time. My thought is to get a hybrid for now and then get EV after 7-8 years when EVs are more evolved. Among hybrids, I am sure a lot of new hybrid cars will launch in the next 5 years but the City Hybrid seems to be all the hybrid car one might need actually.

Questions -
1. In the official review, I am concerned about two negatives that are listed. Wanted your views on them -
a. Not a car for enthusiasts - it feels like an alien experience and completely disconnected - - - Is the car not fast? Is it that boring to drive? Or does the review mean that it is "different to drive" because of hybrid tech?

b. Overall road and tyre NVH levels should have been better to keep up with the refined & silent hybrid powertrain - - - how bad is the NVH according to you? Since you have driven 530d luxury car and the ZS EV super silent car, you will have perspective.

2. If I do, I will purchase the car from UP. That means I will get the ZX hybrid for less than 20 lakhs. So, my choices, in same price range +- 1,2 lakhs are - Nexon LR top model, Atto 3 lowest variant and Hybrid City ZX. You have experience with EVs and hybrid. If my usage is 90% within the city..maybe 95% city..should I go for Nexon or Atto 3 and not the city hybrid? I actually might drive out of the city more if I have the hybrid. I am confused. I will test drive all these cars ten times before deciding but thought will seek your inputs.

PS: please note that my driving style is pedal to the metal kinds. If on a highway, I will keep it to max speed limit. Example, if the speed limit on the Mumbai-Nagpur expressway is 120kmph, I will be driving at 120kmph all throughout..maybe cross that limit once or twice. I drive fast.
Within the city, if I see an open stretch even for 300-400m, I gun it.

Keeping that driving style in mind, what would you recommend. EVs on the highway will give me less than 200km range I think.

[Kevinrevvz]

Originally Posted by sjain2054

I read through a lot of your posts and I am still left with some questions. For my next car, it will either be an EV or a Hybrid. If I have to drive an ICE car, I will continue with my Nano/Grand i10 because my running is not much. I just need a car with future tech to replace the Nano and keep for long time. My thought is to get a hybrid for now and then get EV after 7-8 years when EVs are more evolved. Among hybrids, I am sure a lot of new hybrid cars will launch in the next 5 years but the City Hybrid seems to be all the hybrid car one might need actually.

Questions -
1. In the official review, I am concerned about two negatives that are listed. Wanted your views on them -
a. Not a car for enthusiasts - it feels like an alien experience and completely disconnected - - - Is the car not fast? Is it that boring to drive? Or does the review mean that it is "different to drive" because of hybrid tech?

b. Overall road and tyre NVH levels should have been better to keep up with the refined & silent hybrid powertrain - - - how bad is the NVH according to you? Since you have driven 530d luxury car and the ZS EV super silent car, you will have perspective.

2. If I do, I will purchase the car from UP. That means I will get the ZX hybrid for less than 20 lakhs. So, my choices, in same price range +- 1,2 lakhs are - Nexon LR top model, Atto 3 lowest variant and Hybrid City ZX. You have experience with EVs and hybrid. If my usage is 90% within the city..maybe 95% city..should I go for Nexon or Atto 3 and not the city hybrid? I actually might drive out of the city more if I have the hybrid. I am confused. I will test drive all these cars ten times before deciding but thought will seek your inputs.

PS: please note that my driving style is pedal to the metal kinds. If on a highway, I will keep it to max speed limit. Example, if the speed limit on the Mumbai-Nagpur expressway is 120kmph, I will be driving at 120kmph all throughout..maybe cross that limit once or twice. I drive fast.
Within the city, if I see an open stretch even for 300-400m, I gun it.

Keeping that driving style in mind, what would you recommend. EVs on the highway will give me less than 200km range I think.

Hey! I reckon I could provide my insights on some of your concerns.

1. a) I disagree on this aspect. The car is quick, sounds very eager when you’re pedal to metal, it handles decently well and does make you quite joyful after a spirited drive. I think the review is referring to the behavior of the powertrain where it drives like an EV but with an ICE soundtrack which may be a bit disorienting at first but you’ll get used to it really quick.

b) The NVH is quite poor indeed. While the powertrain is very refined, the road and wind noise is quite excessive even when compared to an MG ZS EV or Kia Seltos, you can forget any comparison to a 530d.

2. After 2 years of EV ownership and a year of hybrid ownership, I’ve had the following observations:

a) I found myself really enjoying the ease of use of the Hybrid on the highway. No pre-planning, no charging stops, just get out and go on a long drive. I have a very similar driving style to yours and do note that the highway efficiency is nowhere close to the claimed numbers. While I do get 20Kmpl+ in the city even with a fairly heavy foot, cruising at 100Kmph only returns 18Kmpl, cruising at 120Kmph returns around 16Kmpl. However, an overall seamless highway experience to any EV south of an EQS or i7. I did take the car out on the highway much more often than my MG ZS EV.

b) However seamless the highway experience was, I found myself driving inside the city 90% of the time. At which, the car is nowhere near as seamless as an EV. While better than a pure ICE car, the NVH, instant torque, regen as well as the ease of use in traffic is not close to a pure BEV.

c) Hence, from a practical standpoint for my particular use case, I would ideally upgrade to a higher end BEV for the sheer practicality and ease of use on a daily basis with instant torque, one pedal driving, overnight charging and zero NVH while putting up with the charging on short highway trips or use the older ICE cars in my garage for that odd impromptu road trip.

As we have similar driving styles and use cases, while I do recommend the City Hybrid over a pure ICE car in the segment or if you plan for it to be the only car in your garage, I definitely urge you to consider the Atto 3 or ZS EV instead (if) you can retain your Grand i10 for emergencies.

While an EV will definitely be a vastly superior experience in the city, you could use it on the highway when you’re not in a time crunch and have enough patience for the planning and charging or you could take the Grand i10 when in an emergency. Cruising at 100Kmph, both the ZS EV and base Atto 3 should fetch around 300Km range on the highway. Skip the Nexon as I personally feel like an EV with under 300Km highway range purely restricts it as a city car. City range with a heavy foot shouldn’t matter in either as you could just charge overnight like your phone.

[samitjain]

Originally Posted by sjain2054

Please help me with your dealer name and number. I can speak to the same sales person and try and get the same deal for myself.

Does this mean that the Honda City ZX Hybrid is for roughly the same on road price (after discounts etc) as the Honda City Petrol ZX?

I don’t know about Honda city ZX price on road, but I got car from Crown Honda, Mathura road. send me a message on - samitjain@yahoo.com for all the details and discounts

Originally Posted by sjain2054

Please help me with your dealer name and number. I can speak to the same sales person and try and get the same deal for myself.

Does this mean that the Honda City ZX Hybrid is for roughly the same on road price (after discounts etc) as the Honda City Petrol ZX?

The difference in ex showroom price is about 4.25 lacs. Assuming same discount, reduce road tax by 2 lacs if Delhi Regn. Add additonal 50K if company Registeration in Delhi. So roughly ZX would be cheaper by about 2 to 2.5 lacs than ZX hybrid. But for this additional amount you get hybrid, better ac, mileage, probably better resale, some parts imported from Japan, better pick up, more silent car, less rubber band CVT Effect, better suspension due to weight.

Cons little less boot space.

[Gps.rege]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

Given that your running is 7000 kms an year which is near 600 kms a month. Based on your running and calculations, your ROI is too deep for a hybrid car. There is no point paying upfront money for something that you will recover in 6.5 years I will say go for non hybrid top variant with six airbags.

Correct me here…
If one buys an expensive hybrid and saves on FE running cost but when he/she sells the hybrid then wouldn’t the resale justify as well?
So ain’t better to just buy the hybrid and save on fuel?

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by Gps.rege

Correct me here…
If one buys an expensive hybrid and saves on FE running cost but when he/she sells the hybrid then wouldn’t the resale justify as well?
So ain’t better to just buy the hybrid and save on fuel?

It is simple financial maths, money saved on fuel vs the loan interest or interest earned by investing the extra money paid for a hybrid. Until or unless you have highly monthly running, upfront investment on a hybrid is not worth it.

[Gps.rege]

My thoughts:

1. We will have to deduct the amount for the extra features of hybrid like the Electronic Parking Brake with auto hold. I plan to use it for Del-Gurgaon daily 50kms , so auto hold can be a boon albeit it will be chauffeur driven mostly. But even if we don't do that then the below maths.
2. With a minimum running of 14-15k pa, I reckon I can save nearly 80k pa (doubling the FE vs petrol) in fuel considering current Delhi rates. And as I keep my car for 7 yrs so it would be about 5.5 lac.
3. For the interest part on extra payment of nearly 6 lacs in Delhi by using Compound Interest calculation, at 7.5% interest, we arrive at a figure of 10 lac after 7 yrs which is a difference of 4 lacs. So, we have an opportunity loss of 4 lac (least conservative investment).
4. By saving fuel cost of 5.5 lac over the period of 7 yrs and losing 4 lac (interest cost), net saving is only 1.5 lac.
5. Consider that the resale of hybrid will be idk nearly 2-3 lacs more than ZX P? or the expiry of battery warranty bring its resale same as petrol? If it is even 2 lacs more than I guess then the decision to go for hybrid seems justified.

Need more critical views.

[jacobsam]

I am having a weird experience with my Honda City Hybrid Zx. The thought of getting a hybrid was that my primary daily use is of 4-5 Kms with average speed of 15-20 Kms. The distance from my campus to our home is hardly 1Km. The ride keeps dropping family members from home to the campus and vice-versa. So my thought was that I would be able to get around 21+ as an average for this said rides

On the other hand i always knew that being a sedate driver these days, the outstation long rides would give an average of 21+.

But my daily rides are fetching me hardly 15Km/L, on the other hand the outstation rides would land somewhere 21Km/L.

The ride had met with an accident, details here:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...review-31.html (Honda City Hybrid Review)

After the repairs, the car was sent for the regular 10000 Km servicing and this average issue was raised.

The technical team checked everything and said that the hybrid system is working normal with car recharging the battery and depending upon the need, shifting to EV mode normally although i feel that the battery is not supporting the engine for a longer durations as i it did before the accident.

I am not able to be at peace pertaining to this average issue.

Experts please guide if my perception and expectation is over board on this issue and are these mileage numbers ok with other Honda City Hybrid owners.

TIA

[nagr22]

Originally Posted by jacobsam

The thought of getting a hybrid was that my primary daily use is of 4-5 Kms with average speed of 15-20 Kms. The distance from my campus to our home is hardly 1Km. The ride keeps dropping family members from home to the campus and vice-versa.

For this kind of use case, hybrid is a very bad choice. By the time the engine warms up and ready to work optimally, you will turn it off. So that's gonna reduce the mileage for sure even for a pure petrol. Hybrids increase the mileage by recharging the battery everytime you apply slight brakes to slow down. In the 1km trip of yours, I am not sure how many such recharging opportunities your car gets and yet it managed 15kmpl which is impressive in my books. My petrol car wouldn't have crossed half of that mileage!

I don't know who advised you to get a hybrid, but if you had asked me, your use case has EV written all over it!

[jacobsam]

Originally Posted by nagr22

For this kind of use case, hybrid is a very bad choice. By the time the engine warms up and ready to work optimally, you will turn it off.

I don't know who advised you to get a hybrid, but if you had asked me, your use case has EV written all over it!

Sir, the only reason why i didnt go for an EV was that this car would be also used for outstation drives and considering the current EV charging infrastructure in India I was not comfortable with it.

[vijaykr]

We did a Bangalore - Tiruvannamalai trip in our City e:Hev last weekend. The mileage figures from the trip while good would have been better if I'd been a more sedate and less spirited in the empty road stretches

[SavoyWalrus]

Originally Posted by vijaykr

We did a Bangalore - Tiruvannamalai trip in our City e:Hev last weekend. The mileage figures from the trip while good would have been better if I'd been a more sedate and less spirited in the empty road stretches

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That's incredible! How much more can you extract if you hypermile?

[Traveler]

Folks, what insurance companies are you getting the renewals done. There is a confusion if the Hybrid battery and other related components are covered or not.

If any of your have renewed it could you please share what all add on covers you opted for and if you verified if it covers the hybrid components.

[venkat_partha]

Any one know how to get the PUC done on this hybrid car? I have instructions for the Toyota Hybrid, but, unable to find information for this vehicle.

Thanks in advance,

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by venkat_partha

Any one know how to get the PUC done on this hybrid car? I have instructions for the Toyota Hybrid, but, unable to find information for this vehicle.

Thanks in advance,

Please this post where I have explained the process.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post5647004 (Honda City Hybrid Review)

[vijaykr]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Folks, what insurance companies are you getting the renewals done. There is a confusion if the Hybrid battery and other related components are covered or not.

If any of your have renewed it could you please share what all add on covers you opted for and if you verified if it covers the hybrid components.

I got the renewal done last month, but didn't check if it specifically covers hybrid components. The model did mention the insurance is for eHev though. Will the hybrid battery be indicated in the policy? What other hybrid specific items are expected to be mentioned in policy?