[sixthsense]

Originally Posted by pandabear

If you find the guy again please ask him what he means by adrenox "subscription" I see that no one has a clue about it. The fine print in the brochure says that it is free only for one or two years. What's going to happen after that what features will stop working?

It's 2 years for the AX7 L variant and the e-sim provider is Vodafone (very peculiar choice indeed). As replied by someone else, it is the subscription of the e-sim + adrenox features, that would be charged for after the initial 2 years, just like a regular phone sim service. Just to mention here, newer phones have started arriving with e-sim feature, where there is no need to install a physical sim and the phone itself can be bonded to a telecom operator.

It would be very strange if any of the on-board features would stop working, if I opt out of the subscription. I should still be able to update it by connecting to my phone or WIFI. Also the android auto should work irrespective of the telecom e-sim subscription. The only thing it should impact is my adrenox connection through my phone to handle the car remotely. I guess there would be a backend server-client infrastructure that Mahindra has invested in, which lets you remotely manage the features of the car and that's what is being offered for free here.

If non-payment, takes off the ability to start the car remotely and switch on the AC, then I'll pay the subscription without any hesitation.





I asked my dealer/advisor, but he has no information on this topic and has the same answer " everything would be more clear on 10th Oct". Anyway, a little more information and confirmation from Mahindra would help a lot for sure.

[Guna]

Originally Posted by sixthsense

So the Sony 3D surround (12 speaker setup), which I think is mostly the extra 2L of the Luxury model comprises of, is definitely worth it. Apart from the TD, you've to test this to get an earful of the work Sony and Mahindra has put in. I would say, for me to achieve this level of sophistication would be next to impossible with my local installer. This level of audio would have to be done through a specialist and with the built in amplifier and 3D DSP, this setup alone would have costed the 2L. You've to try all the options of field levels and 3D options that are preset. The quality is amazing and I didn't go beyond sound level 5 for my taste, though I did increased it to 8-9 to hear the thump.
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Do you think it is possible to install those additional 6 Sony speakers on the lower model (since the AX7 AWD doesn't get the 360 surround sound) and get the same effect?
I Hope that the wiring harness is available on the lower trims to upgrade some of the electronics so that one doesn't have to cut wires while upgrading.

[sixthsense]

Originally Posted by Guna

Do you think it is possible to install those additional 6 Sony speakers on the lower model (since the AX7 AWD doesn't get the 360 surround sound) and get the same effect?
I Hope that the wiring harness is available on the lower trims to upgrade some of the electronics so that one doesn't have to cut wires while upgrading.

Not possible practically. The reasons:

1) Installing 4 speakers in the roof would be a daunting task and I wouldn't want to take that chance with a local installer in a new car, with so much riding on electronics. Same for the woofer installed next to the third row seats. The risk of touching any electronics with this car is much higher, due to the loaded features that depend on silicon chips.

2) The inbuilt 13 channel amplifier with 3D DSP built by Sony is custom and in real world you'll not find any 13 channel amplifier. You will have to install atleast two amplifiers and a seperate DSP.

3) Integration of the sound system with the infotainment unit has been built by Mahindra with Sony. Even if you are able to install the speakers and amplifier, I'm not sure how you would integrate the functionality with the head unit.

The only possibility I see is Mahindra offering this upgrade as a accesory later on. But looking at the tightly integrated audio system, it looks like a distant dream. It's a shame Mahindra didn't offer the AWD with the L option and the petrol with AWD.

[ani21]

For anyone whose annual running is in between 8k to 10k km, would it wise to go for diesel or stick with petrol engine?

[msinghal80]

Originally Posted by NitSat

What M&M is doing in the name of ‘Essential kit ‘ , and charging customers 25-35 k, is actually Daylight Loot. It’s just a move to keep Label price below a certain mark , at the same time, fleecing the unsuspecting customers.

Yeah, what you are saying is right and it's daylight loot only, but I'll play devil's advocate here. Whenever dealers, company sees such a huge crowd, just to see/TD the vehicle, of course, they want more money on their terms only. People are booking without knowing lots of essential missing information like actual safety rating, the actual weight of vehicle, fuel economy figures, spare part availability (due to chip shortage).

Dealers know that 90-95% of people will pay for it without making any noise and, they won't much bother about the remaining 5-10% because they know the first few batches of XUV will sell like hotcakes.

[yogishkamath]

Originally Posted by k_ajay

How many folks asking for the AWD+ L pack, are also going to be willing to pay ₹ 29L or more, for it, when it reaches (again, Bengaluru/ Bangalore only)?

I am. I know several people who are in the same boat. Infact, Mahindra unnecessarily created a dilemma for a lot of people by making us choose between L and AWD.

TBH, I never though I want AWD until I went through this thread. I thought it is something that is of use only to offroaders.

Even now, I am not convinced I need it but will I pay 5% more for getting something that might improve safety while driving on steep, wet roads ?

Absolutely!

[charade]

I have been hearing conflicting info about the AWD version having electronic parking brake + auto hold. Couldn't find a feature wise list for AWD in the brochure. Hence, assumption is that AWD has same features as AX7 (which doesn't get EPB). But read a post here that AWD variant will have electronic parking brake and auto hold. Tried confirming with the dealer, but that is a hopeless exercise.

[AtheK]

Went to check the car today, the initial euphoria had cooled down, and there was just me and one another person in the showroom checking the car. The fact it is Monday and not a weekend obviously helped a lot.

I am not going to beat around the bush and repeat the same things which have been posted again, but for me the Steering is just way too light. It is lifeless and absolutely yawn inducing, reminded me of the Hyundai cars of old. It definitely helps in parking in the city but overall just did not feel connected to me. My current ride which is a Vento, the steering is amazing on it. I could also feel sometimes the gear changing which is fine, as my current setup of DSG + TSI has me spoilt.

The display car was not connected to battery so I could not test anything on the Display car, except the seating, which was again pre adjusted. The TD was handled well with name clearly displayed on excel sheet, we got in and got a TD immediately. The route though was pre determined and we were back in 5 minutes. Overall the interior does seem a step up, but nothing wow worthy. This car is a very very good attempt from Mahindra, but this will not see the same success as Thar, there is competition, and once Tata fixes that God awful Infotainment system, and brings Ventilated seats to all top end models, the differentiating factor will be ADAS. The price will go up on this soon, and will pretty much be similar priced as Safari, which is undoubtedly a better looking car. Alexa was not working on TD car, the third row is very mediocre too, and overall the eventual feeling I left the showroom was that of a mixed one.

I stepped in to MG showroom from there, and the experience at that showroom was another level, to be detailed later. For now it is a NO GO for me, and I will wait and see how things evolve in this space.

[shashi792]

Originally Posted by AtheK

....... but for me the Steering is just way too light. It is lifeless and absolutely yawn inducing, reminded me of the Hyundai cars of old. It definitely helps in parking in the city but overall just did not feel connected to me. .

This was my feedback also. We TD'ed it with my entire family. All 6 seats were occupied. While the occupants felt it was a plush interior and something which we miss in our other vehicles (Polo GT, Duster & Ecosport). My opinion to my family after TDing it was "The vehicle seems to be not talking to me about the road" It felt similar to me when I drove Hector Diesel Manual Variant .

While waiting for our turn, we TDed Thar.

On the steering feedback/(connection to the driver) level, For me, it's Polo GT, Ecosport, Harrier, Thar, XUV700, Hector.

Until the first batch is out and the niggles are sorted (approx first quarter of 2022), it's a NO-GO for me.

[Guna]

Originally Posted by charade

I have been hearing conflicting info about the AWD version having electronic parking brake + auto hold. Couldn't find a feature wise list for AWD in the brochure. Hence, assumption is that AWD has same features as AX7 (which doesn't get EPB). But read a post here that AWD variant will have electronic parking brake and auto hold. Tried confirming with the dealer, but that is a hopeless exercise.

If you see the videos from the media drive, you can see EPB on the AWD model. But I guess these were not the final production spec models and can't really go by what you see in them.
One such video here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeH2Z_QTyGQ

[krishnakumar]

Originally Posted by AtheK

but for me the Steering is just way too light. It is lifeless and absolutely yawn inducing, reminded me of the Hyundai cars of old.

I felt this too, however, dismissed it because we were mostly doing speeds within 30kmph due to traffic and through narrow streets.

At least from the reviews (during the unveil), the reviewers were saying that at higher speeds the steering weighs up nicely. At dead-low speeds, I actually liked that the steering was very light.

Another thing that I noticed in the car was that the car claims to have Electronic Brake Prefill, whereas I did not feel that this was working at all (either it is not there or it is not tuned properly). I have checked this on Compass and it works so well for emergency situations. There was a remarkable difference in how the brakes are supposed to work with EBP.

[BharathXUV700]

Test drove the Diesel AT today. While the mechanical bits of the car worked well, the software did throw niggles.

I test drove Safari yesterday and i feel both XUV and Safari are pretty equal in terms of suspension comfort..Felt Safari a bit better on certain parameters and XUV better on others.

Engine felt a little sluggish/under powered at slow speeds (compared to my expectations only) in the beginning, then figured out that the vehicle was in Zip mode (155 BHP, 380 NM)..switched over to zoom and instantly felt the difference. Pick up was so much better. Steering is light and easy, seat comfort good.

Software niggles included very slow reaction to my inputs. Blind view monitoring didnt work if i switched on the turn signals. It started working after a minute into the drive. Tried getting avg fuel consumption details. Was trying to toggle the various menus and sub menus but the display reacted to my inputs on the steering switches a full 2-3 seconds after my inputs...felt very slow.

BTW, Fuel consumption showed 4.8 Km/l. However, the test drive route was on a mixture of service roads with speed bumps and small lanes. I did not have an oppurtunity to go beyond 2nd gear itself. Plus, the AC was on and the test drives were continuous with one ending and another set of people being brought in and in all the time in between the car was left switched on with AC running.

[AtheK]

Originally Posted by krishnakumar

I felt this too, however, dismissed it because we were mostly doing speeds within 30kmph due to traffic and through narrow streets.

At least from the reviews (during the unveil), the reviewers were saying that at higher speeds the steering weighs up nicely. At dead-low speeds, I actually liked that the steering was very light.

Ya the speeds were low and will probably be helpful in city driving as you mentioned, also I really hope the steering weighs up nicely when you hit the highway, or many might find it a turn off.

Again coming back to low speed steering feedback, when you are buying a new car you would want it to top your current car in pretty much every department, and for me my current car steering felt much better at even lower speeds. This observation is anyway absolutely personal and I am sure there are many out there who would totally appreciate the current steering setup in XUV, for me personally it is a deal breaker.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by AtheK

Ya the speeds were low and will probably be helpful in city driving as you mentioned, also I really hope the steering weighs up nicely when you hit the highway, or many might find it a turn off.

EPS provides little to no assist at highway speeds, as far as suspension alignment is proper it will give you good feedback as any vehicle with R&P steering should.

A lot of feedback with regards to steering feel is very subjective and often a matter of getting used to. If you drive a Ford Ikon , you will think Polo's steering was made by Sony!! If you drive a manual steering of an Esteem, you will find all the above to be not connected to the wheels at all.

[motorworks]

Although I’m not in the market for a new car, I checked out almost all of the new launches back to back last weekend, more so for my personal interest and also because one my friends is upgrading from a 1st Gen Creta and he wanted my opinion on all the new cars in the compact SUV market.

First up, the XUV700, obviously I could not test drive the car since there was a 1-2 hour waiting period, and I wasn’t willing to wait that long considering the kind of crowd at the showroom.
The car itself in its full glory is a fantastic attempt from Mahindra. The interiors, soft touch dashboard, the massive sun roof, the auto adjusting front seats, a lot of wow factors for sure. Many members have covered a lot about this car, so I wouldn’t want to repeat what they have already said, but would rather keep my view very simple. While it seems like a sorted product, it seems wow only when in the AX7 variants, on other variants like the AX3 or MX series it loses out its novelty. The AX5 is a decently kitted version with most features like the the sunroofs and alloys in place. So my suggestion to my friend was to either pick the AX5 variant which offers a bit of novelty on terms of the sunroof and the massive screen or just skip thr XUV700 altogether. I just cannot understand as to why the AX5 costs something around 17-18 lakhs on road while the AX7L costs nearly 10 lakhs extra!
Contrary to most opinions here, I think if one wants a decent level of equipment then it’s the AX5.

I also managed to quickly look at other cars like the Kushaq, Taigun and the Astor. The Kushaq and Taigun are surely not bad at all, but it’s the timing. They have been caught unaware by the Astor and the XUV700. All these showrooms are adjacent to each other and I could see massive crowd for the Astor while there were literally no one at Skoda. Few customers are VW though. I don’t see Skoda and VW making a decent recovery unless they do a price correction very quickly. Else it’s clearly game over.