[gururajrv]

All I can say about Toyota is - MONOPOLY! Yes, after Ford & Endeavour’s exit from the market, Toyota knows people will look towards them when someone thinks of BIG, BRAWLY, DURABLE SUV! But, they’re being greedy at the same time.

I’m sure atleast 10-20% population will now look at XUV7OO as a good VFM proposition for half the price from an Indian manufacturer!

[achyutaghosh]

Originally Posted by AJ56

In fact considering the current Camry is a hybrid which costs significantly more to produce, in inflation adjusted terms it is much, much cheaper than the 2010 petrol Camry. Cheers.

Exactly. Same company (Toyota) but different approach to pricing as compared to Fortuner. In the new Camry it offers a hybrid, and holy mother of god, a sunroof yet costs lesser than what the 6% inflation increase point that Padmarajravi was talking about would have led to.

Fortuner is the ultimate grand loot,and we would be blind if we do not see that.

[for_cars1]

Originally Posted by vjbox

... Its not that its a product that is worth a full 50 lacs to begin with. ..

If there is a buyer base who are fine with 50L pricing of Fortuner, then why should Toyota not price it at 50L or higher and make more profits. Any manufacturer will do the same if it is successful in convincing its buyer base that their product is worth its pricing.

Statictically, the Fortuner sold 24,000 units in 2017, 21,800 units in 2018, 15,488 units in 2019 and 9,204 units in 2020. (source: 2017-sales, 2018-2019 sales, 2020 sales ). So there has been a steady decline in the sales year on year.

Only presence of worthy alternate options/strong competitive offerings from other manufacturers can keep pricing in check.
In 2021, with Ford going away, monopoly has returned back and its a free hand for the pricing to go upwards with no risk of drastic drop in sales.

[drjaygoyal]

Originally Posted by BHPjunkie

I would never pay 40+ lakhs for a Fortuner. Apart from the reliability quotient it doesn't command such a hefty price. Bouncy ride, missing features for the price and nothing really exciting. Obviously Fortuner sells thanks to politicians, babus and security fleets of the rich and famous.

Absolutely ! It always was more of a style statement and worth 30-35 or even stretch to 40 lacs for someone who wanted the oomph value.

But at this price I would rather put 5-10 lacs more and get a German beast.

Even a used GLE / X3 / Q5 is a viable and much cheaper option.

And they come with all the swag.

[Whitebear]

Originally Posted by drjaygoyal

Absolutely ! It always was more of a style statement and worth 30-35 or even stretch to 40 lacs for someone who wanted the oomph value.

But at this price I would rather put 5-10 lacs more and get a German beast.

Even a used GLE / X3 / Q5 is a viable and much cheaper option.

And they come with all the swag.

Most of the buyers(Insert Politicians, Businessmen,) buy it for the brand value,

I know people in my circle who just change their old fortuners for new ones every few years.

Toyota can easily stretch in to 60-65 lacs, and people won't bat an eye

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by achyutaghosh

Exactly. Same company (Toyota) but different approach to pricing as compared to Fortuner. In the new Camry it offers a hybrid, and holy mother of god, a sunroof yet costs lesser than what the 6% inflation increase point that Padmarajravi was talking about would have led to.

Fortuner is the ultimate grand loot,and we would be blind if we do not see that.

Camry actually was hiked steeply by 1.2L in April 2021 and then got another hike of 72K in October. I don't know if it got any hike prior to April 2021. In June 2020 camry ex-showroom was 37.88 and now its 41.20 and essentially same car without facelift unlike Fortuner. I am sure Toyota will hike price of Camry during facelift in next couple of days, and as per my guess it ,might be priced similar to Legender 4x4. This should make it even steven with Fortuner price hike.

Previous gen Camry too was a hybrid and current gen has updated hybrid not all new tech and period correct features. Even with facelift, Fortuner got significant upgrade to engine, added feature list. Hike of 3L may not be justified, but then Fortuner has best engine and offroad capability(even compared to Endeavour) in the segment and features were on par with Endeavour.

Its unfortunate we have to pay through the nose despite cars falling short of overseas counterpart, but that is the case with most cars. In Jan BMW X120D was available fore 46L after discount, now the same is retailing over 50L after discount. In 2018 August Compass sport diesel was retailing for 19-20L OTR here in Bangalore, and now its easy 24+L for same engine gearbox but with BS6.

[deetjohn]

Objectively, Fortuner is simply not worth that money!

Then, why does this happen??

Toyota does it because it knows Indians will pay.
Indians buy it as they know Toyota will increase the price which will guard their resale.

As simple as that!

This reliability thing is overrated. And there is not much in that car to go wrong in the first place. The way its kitted is pathetic and what's in there is mostly old gen/ old-school. 'tried and tested' in magazine speak!! And when the owner pays so much money upfront, you can discount the service too isn't it? Especially when you make the owner do it once every 5000 KM??

Who knew Toyota faithful is going to miss Ford this soon! LOL

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by deetjohn

This reliability thing is overrated. And there is not much in that car to go wrong in the first place. The way its kitted is pathetic and what's in there is mostly old gen/ old-school. 'tried and tested' in magazine speak!! And when the owner pays so much money upfront, you can discount the service too isn't it? Especially when you make the owner do it once every 5000 KM??

Who knew Toyota faithful is going to miss Ford this soon! LOL

This is bound to happen as how quickly the features are getting outdated. Innova and Fortuner are 6 year old product and the current iteration is at its final leg. When they were launched both were quite feature packed and facelifts can only offer few gimmicky features. What is laudable is that the engine/mechanicals is still relevant or a step above the competition.

Innova from official review
• Upmarket interiors. The ZX AT variant is very plush
• Powerful diesel engines with user-selectable driving modes
• Balanced suspension & road manners. High speed stability is rock solid
• Top-notch safety kit. 7 airbags, ABS, ESP, TC, Isofix & 3-point seatbelts for all
• Feature packed! Leather seats, LED headlamps, mood lighting, cruise control & lots more

Fortuner from official review
• Interiors are much improved. Cabin is practical & user-friendly
• Loaded with features like Bi-beam LED headlamps, powered tailgate, paddle shifters & more
• Impressive offroad capability (by big SUV standards)

Yes there are missing kit like sunroof, ADAS which were not the norm back in 2016. Heck even the so called feature packed XUV 700 launched couple of months ago is outdated with feature. No ADAS Level 2, auto dimming mirrors, ventilated seats etc. and in another year you will see lot more missing features.

Features will get outdated in 6- 12 months, what doesn't so quickly is Engine/gearbox and mechanicals. This is what is impressive about XUV, has period correct features and an engine/gearbox that will remain relevant for a long time. Adding features is inexpensive and easy when developing a new car, building a good engine gearbox can take a lifetime.

[ViMo]

The speed alarm nuisance
This is my first vehicle with speed alarm and found this annoying. When I shift from 4th to 5th speed would have crossed 80 and get a single beep.I f you are keeping 80-90 speed then you can hear this every now and then. Irritating for sure. However when you move from 5th to 6 the real issue starts, speed is already above 120 and the beeps become never ending. Need to get rid of this for sure.

[sainik]

Legender 4 x 4 AT

I have been told that in January, 2022, no Legender 4x4 AT stand dispatched to any dealer in India.

Is it so? Also is there any method to keep track of one booking except following up with dealer i.e. to say whether toyota provides any order tracking service.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by sainik

Whether toyota provides any order tracking service.

Nope. You are at the mercy of your dealer for updates on your booking. Any queries to TKM customer care with regard to your booking will be redirected to your dealer.

[getsurya]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

Nope. You are at the mercy of your dealer for updates on your booking. Any queries to TKM customer care with regard to your booking will be redirected to your dealer.

For both of my Fortuner's purchase, my dealer at Hyderabad, Harsha Toyota was very responsive to provide me updates of the vehicle status timely. I even knew what time my vehicle rolled off the production line and was loaded into the truck timing too I guess the relationship with them, probably matters too!!

[ViMo]

Did a 970 KM trip. Due to the speed alarm drove below 120. Returned an overall fuel efficiency of 12.5 KM/L by tank to tank method while MID was showing 12.6 KM/L. I was expecting around 11 and happy to get more

[Slushmaster]

A weird thing that I noticed in my 2021 4x4 AT today, the rear air condition vents only supply cool air, even when the climate control was set to 28 degrees. Is it my car or is something wrong with the Fortuner as a car. In north India, due to the chilly weather, heating is a necessity and with parents, it's a must have. Does any owner want to share insights on this piece?

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by Slushmaster

A weird thing that I noticed in my 2021 4x4 AT today, the rear air condition vents only supply cool air, even when the climate control was set to 28 degrees. Is it my car or is something wrong with the Fortuner as a car. In north India, due to the chilly weather, heating is a necessity and with parents, it's a must have. Does any owner want to share insights on this piece?

I might be wrong, but I don't think there is a separate heater for rear. From manual- "Fan speed is automatically adjusted according to temperature setting of the front air conditioning system". So best to keep it in auto mode, unless rear passengers want to set their own fan speed.