[puntOOs]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

Or - should one buy 2 Nexons (or any CSUVs) within about 21 Lakhs, and have 10 seats + loads of luggage space, better mileage, redundancy around year with a car always available & lesser ownership costs? This was of course a discussion on a lighter note.

To each their use case! Two cars make sense for those with multiple drivers/commute requirements at home and if they like to make long drives with luggage and everyone traveling. The one bigger car makes sense for single driver/commutes and when not everyone at home is going on the long drives. Plus 2 cars maintenance and fuel also has to be considered.

[GTO]

With cars, the more the cupholders & such storage spots, the better. On my drive last weekend, see the kind of stuff I fitted in. Two coffee flasks, water bottle, Savlon disinfectant spray and a hand sanitizer. All MANDATORY for long drives. Still had lots of room for more.

[abhisheksircar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5BY3lcy2lc

It's good to see this wonderful forum's feedback proudly presented amidst the biggies like Top Gear, Autocar etc by Tata. They know the sentiments quite well.

And yes, saw the blue Safari in person today in a quite empty stretch without any distractions. It's a definite WOW when it comes to the design factor. Really good presence. The new Tata Safari, at least in this forum, went through the strongest scrutiny as it was standing against a pretty reputed product. Itself. It sure did shine splendid. The pricing will be the last checkbox which I hope Tata does not disappoint with.

[07CR]

Any specific reason Tata is delaying the price announcement? Tata needs to commence sales of Safari ASAP before the XUV500 arrives. I am pretty sure Mahindra will do a great job, and when it arrives will steal the thunder from the Safari.

IMO if the price will be 27~L for top end Diesel automatic Safari a sense of Deja VU is in the offing. Hector vs Harrier, anyone remember?

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by GTO

With cars, the more the cupholders & such storage spots, the better. On my drive last weekend, see the kind of stuff I fitted in. Two coffee flasks, water bottle, Savlon disinfectant spray and a hand sanitizer. All MANDATORY for long drives. Still had lots of room for more.

These cupholders make sense ergonomically. The ones in my Storme are ahead of the gear lever under the dash in a little cubbyhole. They've held all sort of stuff over the years (pens, change, toll receipts, goggles, etc) but never held a cup yet.

Cheers, Doc

[krishnakarthik1]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Any specific reason Tata is delaying the price announcement?

I think the big bosses priced this at 30 lakhs OTR. A junior to the junior manager might have pointed out to him that it's more expensive than the Innova. Then the junior manager might have gone to the manager and the manager might have asked him to send a memo which was to be sent to the big bosses.

That memo which was sent to the big bosses might have come back with a question asking 'Is there a vehicle called Innova'.

Now as I type this the clerk to the junior of the junior manager is typing a reply which will be sent to the big bosses of the sarkari company who will deliberate over liters of tea and tones of biscuits and send a report to the biggest boss RT. He shall think and let us know and we shall wait till then.

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

I think the big bosses priced this at 30 lakhs OTR. A junior to the junior manager might have pointed out to him that it's more expensive than the Innova. Then the junior manager might have gone to the manager and the manager might have asked him to send a memo which was to be sent to the big bosses.

That memo which was sent to the big bosses might have come back with a question asking 'Is there a vehicle called Innova'.

Now as I type this the clerk to the junior of the junior manager is typing a reply which will be sent to the big bosses of the sarkari company who will deliberate over liters of tea and tones of biscuits and send a report to the biggest boss RT. He shall think and let us know and we shall wait till then.

I think you either have someone very close working in Tata Motors, or some time in the recent to remote past you've had opportunity to actually crack the facade behind the TASS and regional TaMo officials and take a peek into the HUGE sarkari morass that is Tata Motors.

I know I have. And it was NOT a pretty sight or remotely pleasant experience.

But EVERY word you've typed, satirical as others might take them to be, is 100% accurate as to the reality of the mega monolith behind these vehicles.

And I say this as a 3rd generation Tata boy. Unabashedly.

Jo hai so hai. Agar kaam kiya hai to bolna padega. Lol

Cheers, Doc

[GTO]

Mod Note: Please don't discuss the old Safari Storme & take this discussion off-topic. Some posts have been deleted. Thanks for the support & understanding

[kochup]

A review which has the Safari Storme side by side with the new Safari 2021, this helps to get a good perspective of how they compare visually in terms of size (height really) and looks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI-YdCW6HNg

His comment at 14:30 - 14:35 about the old Safari is actually so true.

Note: Not discussing the old Safari, just posting a comparison between the old and new.

[RavenAvi]

The siblings, side-by-side. Thanks to Rajbinder.

[pelican90]

TML would be shooting themselves in the leg if they price the Safari at a more than 1L premium for the lower models going up to 1.5L for the top end.

I did a test drive today at Prabhadevi, Mumbai and here is my experience. Positives have been focused by many so I will just focus on the stuff that were deal breakers for me.

Negatives:
1. Steering is very poor, its light at high speeds which kills confidence and is a disservice to the car’s high speed capabilities
2. The white upholstery is a deal breaker, one shouldn’t be expected to buy a top model and then invest in seat covers
3. The fit and finish misses and panel gaps are Tata trademark now
4. The NVH levels are still not fitting for a vehicle that demands 25L. Even the 2.2D and 2.0P engines from Mahindra (seen in the thar and to be seen in the XUV500) seem a generation ahead in terms of pure refinement and response
5. The music system (though JBL) has a poor response. Even a 10-15K after market upgrade to a stock system would yield better low frequency output and clarity
6. Horn is inconsistent
7. The armrests for the captain seats are ergonomically flawed
8. Co-driver electronic seat adjustment is a big miss for a top end at this price
9. The Top end variant at 25+ lacs should have have LED’s. Bi-xenons are pretty sad.
10. Tata sales and after sales service is a big hit and a miss. Many still don’t feel confident in investing so much in this segment for such a risky proposition (even though TML has improved its still miles behind the others)

[PrasannaDhana]

Originally Posted by pelican90

I did a test drive today at Prabhadevi, Mumbai and here is my experience. Positives have been focused by many so I will just focus on the stuff that were deal breakers for me.

Wow! You definitely should wait for the XUV 500.

That definitely seemed a bit too much of a nitpicking to me. You mean Fiat's 2.0 D has worse response than the 2.2 diesel of Mahindra? That's news to me. No offense meant.

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by PrasannaDhana

Wow! You definitely should wait for the XUV 500.

That definitely seemed a bit too much of a nitpicking to me. You mean Fiat's 2.0 D has worse response than the 2.2 diesel of Mahindra? That's news to me. No offense meant.

I haven't heard the Safari, but 2.2 in XUV is quite refined from outside. It gets a bit coarse as it grows older but on a relatively new car, refinement is close to Hyundai diesel, which to me is best in business when it comes refinement among diesel.

[venkyhere]

your opinions and conclusions are what you experienced, so no one can say you are wrong ; so my response is meant purely for people who are going to be reading/researching this thread before forming their own opinion of the car.

Originally Posted by pelican90

4. The NVH levels are still not fitting for a vehicle that demands 25L. Even the 2.2D and 2.0P engines from Mahindra (seen in the thar and to be seen in the XUV500) seem a generation ahead in terms of pure refinement and response

this I find to be an exaggeration. Had the comparison been with a hyundai diesel, I would agree, but such a conclusion about 2.0 MJD after comparison with a mahindra mhawk/mfalcon diesel, is, IMHO, prejudiced

Originally Posted by pelican90

9. The Top end variant at 25+ lacs should have have LED’s. Bi-xenons are pretty sad.

HID (xenons) with projectors - still the better way to light up the road, rather than namesake "LEDs inside reflectors / behind projectors". Unless it is something similar to carefully designed multisource "matrix" lighting (audi/bmw/mercedes/volvo etc) , most LED lighting solutions (unless the bulbs are from GTR lighting or morimoto or such top notch brands) are crap, compared to HIDs behind projector lenses.

[Sebring]

That's because you have probably experienced cheap Chinese rip-offs. I have top-of-the-line Philips LED set up, all from the US. If you're in Bangalore, I invite you home for an illuminating session.

Originally Posted by venkyhere

HID (xenons) with projectors - still the better way to light up the road, rather than namesake "LEDs inside reflectors / behind projectors". Unless it is something similar to carefully designed multisource "matrix" lighting (audi/bmw/mercedes/volvo etc), most LED lighting solutions (unless the bulbs are from GTR lighting or morimoto or such top notch brands) are crap, compared to HIDs behind projector lenses.