[ldk2]

Originally Posted by GTO

You could say it was love at first sight. I’m going with the Diesel AT because its more in line with the character of the Thar, no real price difference from the petrol and the longer tank range (useful for highway runs & offroading).

There isn't a doubt that this 2020 Thar is a lot easier to live with than the earlier Thar which now feels like a relic. It will greatly expand the Thar's appeal & market. As I said earlier, the Thar is not for everyone though. This is NOT your 'modern crossover' alternative or replacement.

Thanks for the detailed review. One of the best and no frills review.

What Aditya and GTO have said are absolutely true. Thar can never replace a main modern primary use vehicles and at the same time there is no such lifestyle vehicle currently available in Thar's price bracket which can beat or replace it.

I see many readers are a bit disappointed about the Thar not living up-to their expectations of being/ replacing a Main Stream vehicle. However, according to me that's just a hoax. How many iterations Thar may go through, it can never become a modern budget and family friendly crossover. To stay within a budget, It may just bring along some additional beautification and creature comforts with the iterations it go through.

According to me the best comparison for Thar is itself. The old ABS version model was sold at 9.99 and the new LX-HT is retailing at 12.95. I strongly believe the 2.96 price difference is in-line with the upgrades its bringing along.

Factory fitted Creature comforts like (HardTop, Cruise Control, Infotainment, MID, TPMS, Parking Sensors, Power Windows, Power Mirrors). The additional safety feature's (AirBags, ESP, EBD, brake Assist, RollCage, ISOFIX mounts, SeatBelts for all). Lack of safety features was a big put-off for me earlier and with the new improved iteration, I blindly went a ahead and put my deposit too (Probably many fence sitters like me did too).

Heck, all these with factory warranty and other platform/Iteration improvements makes a lot of sense to me. Barebones Thar was always a big cash cow for Mahindra and this one will be too. As, currently the booking volume speaks and I wouldn't be surprised if Mahindra down the road comes with a price increase out of greed.

Originally Posted by Aditya

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Indeed, the Thar is an extremely special vehicle that many of us have fallen in love with. At the same time though, you need to understand that several compromises have to be made. The Thar will bring a whole lot of smiles to your life; it will also bring many frowns.

What Aditya mentioned is 100% true. Its a decision which makes us smile and make us frown. I guess all can cherish this quote to many of our decisions.

[Vinod_nair]

Originally Posted by amol4184

There is no diesel AX std. Only petrol. Having said that AX is pretty good, if you want to customize. The platform is just waiting for custom jobs.

There is a AX Base Diesel MT 6S ST variant, please refer to my post #78 which has the PL.

[amol4184]

Originally Posted by Vinod_nair

There is a AX Base Diesel MT 6S ST variant, please refer to my post #78 which has the PL.

No, 6S ST MT diesel base model is not same AX std.

The AX std model loses MLD and is only available in petrol.

The diesel base model has MLD and is just called AX. It also has premium of Rs.85k over AX std because of that.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by ph03n!x

Ask your dealer to look for the CPD Date in the POSO Report from EDCM. That should give the Customer Promise Date - which means your car will ship about a week prior to that date from the factory. Make no mistake, confirmed others will have this.

There were a bunch of bookings made BEFORE 2nd My dealer too told me after 15th Aug that they are taking unofficial orders, which will help jump ahead of the queue. I did not take the leap, coz I wanted to know the pricing.

I will go ahead, as I don't intend to sell the Thar for a while, so the MY being one year behind coz of two months doesn't make much difference to me. I would have liked it in time for Diwali though.

What exactly are EDCM and POSO ?? Kindly clarify. I searched the thread but didn't find any reference to these terms.

[ph03n!x]

Originally Posted by lurker

What exactly are EDCM and POSO ?? Kindly clarify. I searched the thread but didn't find any reference to these terms.

Those are M&M internal - POSO is the name of a report. EDCM is their CRM/ OM tool.

[turbo]

Originally Posted by amol4184

No, 6S ST MT diesel base model is not same AX std.

The AX std model loses MLD and is only available in petrol.

The diesel base model has MLD and is just called AX. It also has premium of Rs.85k over AX std because of that.

Thar AX STD = Petrol only, without MLD

Thar AX = Petrol and Diesel, fixed soft top, with MLD
Thar AX option = convertible soft top or Hard top, like the LX. With MLD (There are also quite a lot of differences between AX hard top and LX hard top, but I guess nobody's cross-shopping those. Nevertheless if you want to know them, quote this post, and I'll happily elaborate.





I distinctly remember watching the launch event, and Anand Mahindra proudly declaring that there is no Thar variant without 4x4.

So from where has this STD variant suddenly emerged?

[ph03n!x]

Originally Posted by turbo

. I distinctly remember watching the launch event, and Anand Mahindra proudly declaring that there is no Thar variant without 4x4.

So from where has this STD variant suddenly emerged?

It is 4x4. Just doesn't have the MLD. And the side step.

[amol4184]

Originally Posted by turbo

Nevertheless if you want to know them, quote this post, and I'll happily elaborate.

I am clear on the variants and features. My post has exact same details regarding AX std model as you have mentioned. Perhaps you quoted the wrong post?

The std petrol was clever curve ball. Don’t remember such model being discussed anywhere. It brought the price below 10L - great to announce and print on the brochure. Its 4x4 though.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by ph03n!x

Ask your dealer to look for the CPD Date in the POSO Report from EDCM. That should give the Customer Promise Date - which means your car will ship about a week prior to that date from the factory. Make no mistake, confirmed others will have this.

Had a word with the sales rep at first he was taken aback with my new found gusto in mahindra lingo Then he gave me the CPD (customer promise date) which as per the system is 2nd week of Feb now
He explained that they get this report on their systems weekly every friday and theese dates keep fluctuating, probability of delivery was conveyed as january, petrol thars have recieved more bookings then the diesel ones in delhi ncr region and diesel waiting is shorter then the petrol variant. The quickest delivery is for the soft top convertible models.

Also was told that mahindra did not anticipate such a huge demand for their 2.0 litre Petrol engine hence waiting for the petrol in delhi is more then the diesel variant.

Disclaimer: all of this was conveyed by the sales rep, so how much is correct and how much is not is subject to wider interpretation!

After listening to his lovely reasons and logic and what not i politely said he can give my thar to the next in line gentleman i am no longer waiting till february for the thar period! Told him will send someone for the refund process from my office tommorow to the showroom.My family namely my wife and mom are celebrating and thanking the lord almighty for his divine intervention and savings of 16 big ones thanks to mahindra's goof up. I am sulking like the 10 year old who could not get the toy he wanted!

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild

After listening to his lovely reasons and logic and what not i politely said he can give my thar to the next in line gentleman i am no longer waiting till february for the thar period! Told him will send someone for the refund process from my office tommorow to the showroom.My family namely my wife and mom are celebrating and thanking the lord almighty for his divine intervention and savings of 16 big ones thanks to mahindra's goof up. I am sulking like the 10 year old who could not get the toy he wanted!

They waited for months to get XUV, they waited for months to get Ecosport, recently they waited for months to get Hector - once in a while there comes a vehicle that make you wait.

Why not try another dealer? Its not like you can cancel the booking and buy something else like this - there is nothing else like it , there are no 2 door Jeeps available apart from this for now.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

They waited for months to get XUV, they waited for months to get Ecosport, recently they waited for months to get Hector - once in a while there comes a vehicle that make you wait.

Why not try another dealer? Its not like you can cancel the booking and buy something else like this - there is nothing else like it , there are no 2 door Jeeps available apart from this for now.

Sir the same story with the other dealer as well, i would have waited 6 months also had there been clear commitment from day 1 that this is the day you get the vehicle! November to december to jan to now february when the company and its dealers are so confused themselves, what does a customer anticipate. I agree there isnt any rival to the thar, but i as an individuval value honesty and clarity had the dealer been clear from day 1 i would have waited for sure but ever changing time lines is too much for me as a person

[navpreet318]

No one can tell you a date of delivery. Not even Anand Mahindra, let alone a dealer. The response has been unprecedented.
When Mahindra said they will make 2500 vehicles per month all their suppliers, sub suppliers, sub sub suppliers align with that process keeping a small leeway to mitigate any additional demand or cushion for any sudden blockages etc.
But you cannot expect a sub-sub-sub-supplier who is forging a raw iron component for the axles to double his output for a particular product over a month. Forging dies take months to make. Even if the die is made, another forge would be needed for such a huge demand increment. That is a very huge investment!
Now comes the next question- would this demand be sustainable or will it continue in the same manner. Going by the sales of Seltos, Creta, etc. even you all can see that the demand subsides after a initial euphoria and settles at a somewhat normal pace.

So next question is that if after about 6 months if the demand settles for a 3000 to 3500 piece per month demand would be it prudent for the company to extend its scale of operation to 5000 to 6000 today? and make all those sub sub sub suppliers also invest in a similar manner?

Automobile vendor business is a very low margin business. Any capacity under-utilization hits very badly because all those huge machines hurt a lot in terms of maintenance and bank loan interest.

So all in all your dealers are not all bad people. Problem is that they are the frontline armour who get the maximum attack from the customers.

[comfortablynumb]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild

Sir the same story with the other dealer as well, i would have waited 6 months also had there been clear commitment from day 1 that this is the day you get the vehicle!

If the ambiguity w.r.t the delivery date wasn't acceptable to you, then you did the right thing by cancelling your booking. The Thar isn't going anywhere, neither are you. Who knows, it might be a blessing in disguise, resulting in you owning a much more sorted and niggle free vehicle eventually.

[Vinod_nair]

Originally Posted by navpreet318

No one can tell you a date of delivery. Not even Anand Mahindra, let alone a dealer. The response has been unprecedented.

So all in all your dealers are not all bad people. Problem is that they are the frontline armour who get the maximum attack from the customers.

You nailed it for all Thar customers, when you crave for something, which everyone wants, that want becomes a greed.

On the other hand my 2 dealers in Kanpur are chasing me for TD, and I'm taking my own sweet time

No hurry no worries.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by navpreet318

No one can tell you a date of delivery. Not even Anand Mahindra, let alone a dealer. The response has been unprecedented.

So all in all your dealers are not all bad people. Problem is that they are the frontline armour who get the maximum attack from the customers.

Completely agree on the detailed answer that you have given sir regarding how the automobile industry chain rolls. However coming from the service industry, i have a different take on things the biggest thing that cheeses of any customer is excuses and not being able to deliver and then making further excuses for the same.

I am extremely happy that mahindra have outdone themselves and made huge improvements on the thar over the previous model. However the dealer should simply state at the time of booking that i myself am not sure when i can deliver or give a date if and when he is sure in my case from a promise of november till now to february is too weird!

Yes not all dealers are bad people sir, they should try to be more straightforward and clear with customers thats the least any customer can expect