[osp]

Originally Posted by roadtrippingdoc

I drove a Verna fludic diesel 1.6 for more than a lac kilometres in 6 years and I simply loved driving that car, am I expecting a bit too much from Nexon by comparing it with the verna’s driving experience each time I drive nexon?

I've mostly driven an Alto K10 before the Nexon, and a few others cars (very briefly, though) and what I can say is that driving the Nexon (Diesel), well, is a little different from all of them!



A little slow on the acceleration front, perhaps, I get the feeling that (except in Sport mode) it's more for ambling along until you hit highway speeds, rather than accelerating fast.

[Dips]

I had a weird issue with my XZA infotainment system.
Few days ago, the ICE system work up by itself in my locked Nexon. A neighbor realized and informed me. The car was locked and I remember the system was off when I locked it. Anyways, when I unlocked the car and opened the door, the system switched off itself.
I thought this maybe some SW anomaly and so did not report it.
Couple of days ago, I saw same thing happen in front of me when I locked the car and deliberately waited to notice. In about 4-5 minutes, the screen cane on and started playing radio. The car was still locked and I was outside it.
I noticed that screen briefly showed message "one hour mode ON" when it switched on.
Again it switched off itself on unlocking and opening the driver side door.
I locked the car again and waited few minutes. The system stayed shut.
Today, after 2 days, I realized it may have come on itself. Because the battery is completely dead. I cannot crank my car and had to call Roadside assistance.
Taking the car to service centre and will update on this.

[DudeWithaFiat]

Test drove the Nexon petrol AMT yesterday.

Here are my observations regarding refinement levels:

1) At idling and normal speeds, it felt like a very refined Diesel with slight vibrations felt on the steering wheel.
2) With AC off, there was zero vibrations.

I'm sure a regular guy with no interests in cars would not have noticed or felt those vibrations.

I am planning to get the manual XZ+ variant. After owning 5 pre-owned cars, this is going to be my first brand new car (If I don't count the Tiago that my father uses).

[vamsi.kona]

Originally Posted by Dips

I had a weird issue with my XZA infotainment system.
Few days ago, the ICE system work up by itself in my locked Nexon. A neighbor realized and informed me. The car was locked and I remember the system was off when I locked it. Anyways, when I unlocked the car and opened the door, the system switched off itself.
.

Maybe your car is trying to get an entry in Spooky Experiences Thread in Team Bhp

[JithinR]

Compact SUV comparison (EcoSport is missing though)

https://youtu.be/N8sWnJD3f4M

[Seenz]

Originally Posted by roadtrippingdoc

Okay will try doing that. But correct me if I am wrong, before going for nexon I drove a Verna fludic diesel 1.6 for more than a lac kilometres in 6 years and I simply loved driving that car, am I expecting a bit too much from Nexon by comparing it with the verna’s driving experience each time I drive nexon?

There are some reasons for which you will not find Nexon as responsive as the Verna Fluidic. I own the Nexon diesel BS-4 and my brother Renault Captur Diesel, have extensively driven diesel i20. It is just for a perspective so you can understand where I am coming from.

(i) There has been a marked change in engine responsiveness when we compare BS-4 and BS-6 engines. I had recently driven a BS-6 diesel Ecosport and did not find any punch that we normally associate with diesel engines. Most of BS-4 diesel engines used to have a marked surge just after the turbo began spooling and providing boost. This has been muted in the BS-6 engines to a large extent.

(ii) Hyundai Engines are one of the most free revving diesels out there. One other free revving diesel engine is of XUV 3OO. And what is common in these is relatively lower fuel economy. Tata tunes their engines for fuel efficiency and this they do with relatively heavy cars. Hence we get overall sluggishness and jerky or choppy power delivery.

(iii) Your expectation of Verna Fluidic like driving experience from Nexon is wrong on 2 counts. First Verna was 126 bhp and BS-4, while Nexon is 110 bhp and BS-6. Second, Nexon is relatively heavier than Verna. However what you will find in the Nexon as superior is the high speed stability (straight line only) and ride quality. I have driven my Nexon 40000 kms of which 25000 would have been highway running. I can tell you that Verna 1.6 and Creta 1.6 can not keep up with Nexon. They have the pick up and they do overtake me frequently while belching black smoke all over. These cars have the power and engine to drive fast and sometimes they do but can they do so comfortably? They have to slow down because they start to bob vertically on the undulations. While nothing unsettles the Nexon. It just ploughs on comfortably cruising at triple digits at low rpms (less than 2500) whilst delivering excellent fuel economy. This ensures a fatigue free ride.

(iv) I would say enjoy your car as it is. Enjoy the way it dispatches speed breakers and monstrous potholes on our awesome roads. Nexon does not have that tarmac scorching pick up. However you don't need to slow down for most things either.

[SansGT]

Originally Posted by Seenz

(i) There has been a marked change in engine responsiveness when we compare BS-4 and BS-6 engines. I had recently driven a BS-6 diesel Ecosport and did not find any punch that we normally associate with diesel engines. Most of BS-4 diesel engines used to have a marked surge just after the turbo began spooling and providing boost. This has been muted in the BS-6 engines to a large extent.

I would beg to disagree on this point. There is no mechanical change in the working of a BS4 and a BS6 engine. The changes are mainly to the emission systems. The Ford 1.5 TDCi was never known for a turbo kick mainly due to two reasons - very less turbo lag and linear nature of the engine. It was always an engine (unlike something like the 1.3 MJD) which would build revs smoothly from 1400-1500 RPM and offer a strong mid-range punch. Recently TD the Ecosport and Freestyle BS6 and felt the engine behaving the same. In parallel, I TD a BS6 XUV 300 and the turbo kick at about 1900 RPM is very much evident as its BS4 counterpart.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by roadtrippingdoc

Okay will try doing that. But correct me if I am wrong, before going for nexon I drove a Verna fludic diesel 1.6 for more than a lac kilometres in 6 years and I simply loved driving that car, am I expecting a bit too much from Nexon by comparing it with the verna’s driving experience each time I drive nexon?

Nexon is from a different segment, different priorities and driving experience.

Hyundai 1.6 diesel engine has excellent response, refinement as well as performance across the revv range, its at the top of its game. The Verna`s cabin insulation as well was the best in segment.

[Seenz]

Originally Posted by SansGT

Recently TD the Ecosport and Freestyle BS6 and felt the engine behaving the same. In parallel, I TD a BS6 XUV 300 and the turbo kick at about 1900 RPM is very much evident as its BS4 counterpart.

Yes, you can be right on this part. May be I need to drive more of BS-6 cars to form a more informed opinion. However, what I observed in the Ecosport was that in 5th gear at 100 kmph, the rpm was near 2400 and at 110 kmph, it was 2600. In freestyle diesel BS-4, 120 kmph used to come at around 2500 rpm. I felt the BS-6 Ecosport does not have the mid range grunt anywhere near Nexon BS-4 diesel. I know I am comparing two different cars with different engines. May be the reason can be I revved it only till 3000 rpm as it was a new car (My friend's vehicle, not a test drive vehicle). Further during test drives, we do tend to have a heavy right foot.

May be I have overstated the difference in responsiveness in BS-4 and BS-6 diesels, while it can be less than 1 or 2%. For me, this can only be cleared when I will get to drive a BS-6 diesel Nexon. Till then, I will take your word for it. Or if another BHPian can confirm who has driven BS-4 and BS-6 versions of the same engine extensively.

Also fellow BHPians, this is just my opinion and it can be wrong. Please feel free to correct me.

[SansGT]

Originally Posted by Seenz

However, what I observed in the Ecosport was that in 5th gear at 100 kmph, the rpm was near 2400 and at 110 kmph, it was 2600. In freestyle diesel BS-4, 120 kmph used to come at around 2500 rpm.

That's strange. Are you sure it was 5th gear?
I drove the BS6 Freestyle twice as I am considering to get one. The RPM is around 2000-2100 at cruise speed of 100 kph. Though I didn't observe this while driving the ES, I believe it would be the same with the same engine and tune.

[roadtrippingdoc]

Originally Posted by Seenz

(iv) I would say enjoy your car as it is. Enjoy the way it dispatches speed breakers and monstrous potholes on our awesome roads. Nexon does not have that tarmac scorching pick up. However you don't need to slow down for most things either.

What you are saying is absolutely right, especially with that potholes, stability part and BS4 BS6 difference along with the power difference between both the vehicles.

I posted this when I was new to Nexon but now after almost 27 days of ownership and 3200 kms of driving it, I must admit that I am enjoying every bit of Nexon and I have realised that it was all about getting used to the vehicle, best part is I don't have to slow down now for the small potholes anymore and the highway drives are breeze and much more stable.

[osp]

Here’s an interesting experience which happened at a Tata Motors Service Centre, and a question for more experienced BHPians’ views:

I gave in my car for a 30,000 km service today and my P2P AMC is scheduled to expire at 30,000 km. The Service Advisor threw in a bunch of extra jobs supposedly for free, saying all of it is covered in the P2P AMC. And then he advised me to take an additional P2P AMC to cover till 60,000 km, at a price of Rs 8,800. Of course, he said things like clutch replacement will be done for free at 45,000 km, etc etc.

Does anyone have any idea about this? Is it all that it’s made out to be? Any advice here would be greatly appreciated!

[Abhinav466]

Hello everyone!

This is my first ever post. Feels good to be part of team-bhp community

Recently bought Tata Nexon xza+ petrol. And really loving it. Took it for a drive last weekend from Mumbai to malshej and it was a good experience. Somehow my MID display of 11.3 km/l was accurate enough as I filled petrol top to top and calculated it manually. Most of the drive was on city mode only with a few stretches undertaken in sports mode. Speaking of which, sports mode is fun to drive. The response is really good.

Will keep posting more updates on the forum!

Regards

[Seenz]

Originally Posted by SansGT

That's strange. Are you sure it was 5th gear?
I drove the BS6 Freestyle twice as I am considering to get one. The RPM is around 2000-2100 at cruise speed of 100 kph. Though I didn't observe this while driving the ES, I believe it would be the same with the same engine and tune.

Now that you have mentioned this, I will have to check again. I drove my friend's Ecosport BS-6 (run just around 1000 km) for about 150 kms. I found the car's clutch devoid of feel and gearbox notchy and slightly hard to slot. I now suspect the issue with that particular car. Further, one more seat of the pants observation from me:- Before regulation mandated speed beeps at 80 kmph and 120 kmph, manufacturers used to calibrate speedometers optimistically. Now they seem to have corrected and showing relatively accurate speeds. I need to test my hypothesis with the help of GPS. It happens that in these Covid times, we are getting to drive less and less.

Originally Posted by osp

I gave in my car for a 30,000 km service today and my P2P AMC is scheduled to expire at 30,000 km. The Service Advisor threw in a bunch of extra jobs supposedly for free, saying all of it is covered in the P2P AMC. And then he advised me to take an additional P2P AMC to cover till 60,000 km, at a price of Rs 8,800. Of course, he said things like clutch replacement will be done for free at 45,000 km, etc etc.

Does anyone have any idea about this? Is it all that it’s made out to be? Any advice here would be greatly appreciated!

While my post may not answer all the queries of yours, it may provide some supplemental information and some food for thought for you.
I have around 12 Nexon diesel BS-4 in my close circle where 2 cars have clocked close to 50000 kms. From that experience, I can tell you that Nexon is more or less a niggle free product. And it is showing in the fact that Tata has priced these AMC packages reasonably as they seem to have good confidence in their product.

However, some Tata dealers and their staff seem to differ in their opinion about reliability of Tata cars. They advise part changes prematurely because your AMC is just ending and you would definitely like to squeeze the last rupee out of it. Where do you think that spare part of yours replaced under AMC which may have seen 1/4th or 1/3rd of its useable life will end up? It may end up in some fleet car or in the car of a customer who just passed some green ones towards the Service Advisor. And that thoroughly abused spare part (from fleet car or the other car) will be claimed as received from your car and replaced under AMC. This practice is followed by only some of the unscrupulous dealers and their staff.

I have one instance to share regarding this practice. My close friend owns Tata Bolt diesel. He had taken his car for service. It was a regular service and he had no specific complaints or issues with the car. The Service Advisor advised that since his AMC will be ending soon, why does not he change the clutch under AMC. My friend gave a go ahead (wrong and foolish move). After 2 days of service, he found tak-tak noise in gearbox and prominent clutch judder. He reported it to the service center who gave evasive replies like there is some problem in his driving and all. When we went to the bottom of all this, we found out that my friend's vehicle clutch has been exchanged with some other car. Luckily, we have another Tata Service Center in our city. They sympathized with the whole issue, narrated more horror stories about that particular service center and helped change the clutch under warranty. We have filed a case of cheating against that Service Center, however not so hopeful of any outcome.

On our forum, we may have read that Tata has one of the most generous warranty policies. However, with such unscrupulous people present, it is anyone's guess how long the party is going to last. Tata motors does not need competitors to pull it down. They have enemies within. With Tata after sales, you are at the mercy of their dealers. Some are totally rogue, some are absolutely lazy and some exceptionally good. There is a lack of consistent experience which customers today aspire for.
So I would say ignore the advise of the Service Advisors if you smell a rat or you feel he is being generous without any reason. The service advisor does not have the responsibility of thinking about yours or my benefit. His work and objective is to feed the bottomline of the service center and in some cases line their own pockets if he does not fear getting caught and punished. Be informed and not let them treat your car as an experimental ground for them.

Hence for small niggles, I follow the self healing rule . That the car will heal itself after some days. If I would try to report that niggle to the service center, they will gift my car 2 more niggles. Whenever I give my car for service, and the Service Advisor asks if I have any complaint, my reply is absolutely zero complaints and I want my car back as soon as possible.

Tata has increased prices of their cars by quite a bit now. I feel we are paying the correct prices for the products now. The price at which we early adopters have bought our cars was a steal. From the very first day of buying the car, I have felt that I have got more than my money's worth. At that time in 2017 and 2018, Nexon was the default car to get in my friend circle. Everyone just had to select in what color they wanted their Nexon. I got my Nexon diesel XZ+ via CSD at on road price of 9.08 lakhs. We can't get anything comparable in this money now a days.

[osp]

Very well put, Sir, very well put and I agree wholeheartedly with you especially on the below:

Originally Posted by Seenz

Hence for small niggles, I follow the self healing rule . That the car will heal itself after some days. If I would try to report that niggle to the service center, they will gift my car 2 more niggles. Whenever I give my car for service, and the Service Advisor asks if I have any complaint, my reply is absolutely zero complaints and I want my car back as soon as possible.

… is also what I expressly mentioned while giving the car to them

Now, here is an update from last evening:

While delivering the car, the SA said brakes & all still have some life left in them so he is not changing them now. But, he has given me boxes of the stuff for free (brake discs, pads, calipers, etc., I think (not opened them up yet from the box packaging)), which I can bring in next time in case parts need replacement, so that I do not have to worry about buying them at that point of time. This is of course, against an expectation that I will buy the additional P2P, which I have deferred for now.

So now, there is a feeling that the extended P2P (till 60,000 km) is a complete rip off and you know what, “prices may increase in future” etc etc. But at the same time, I think I got some stuff for free which, in case I need to replace them later, is essentially money saved. Here is a list of the stuff which:

A. Was supposedly covered under the 30,000 P2P now, and I think this is what I got in those boxes.



B. Are supposed to be covered under the 60,000 P2P