[mm_shen]

Originally Posted by SaurabhB

Need a small, compact, fuel efficient car for city usage only (50 kms a day).Checking out S-Presso AGS, Wagon R 1.2 AGS and Ignis AGS.

Hi Saurabh!

I drive a Ignis AGS. My Uncle drives a S-presso AGS and my cousin drives a Wagon-R AGS.

I got the an used Ignis-Delta(AGS) 2018 model in 2022 when the ODO read 11k. Now I have clocked 40k odd on it. I love it. The car is compact, you can park easily, highway manners upto 100-110 kmph is quite good. I am about 5'9" and can see the bonnet (which is quite small) very clearly. Helps in bumper to bumper traffic. The 4 cylinder engine is quite refined and smooth. AGS is AGS, you cannot compare it with other automatics. But if you drive sedately, it is more than adequate. In city traffic, your knees and left foot will thank you. The car cabin is quite spacious than you expect when you look from the outside. The rear passengers get the brunt of the suspension setup and curse me every time I drive a little fast over pot holes. Ignis is meant to be driven very slowly over rough roads.
The looks are different, more fresh. With alloys, it looks Beautiful! But this is my perspective. Looks are subjective. I love my Ignis!


My uncles who is 70, bought S-presso - VXi plus AGS as it was compact and had a higher stance. The car is compact, you can park the car in the tightest of spaces. Very small turning radius and has all the basics that a car needs. You get an elevated seating position, almost on par with all the big vehicles which are on roads today. So you don't have to second guess what is in front of the car ahead of you. But the three cylinder 1litre engine is not as refined or as quick as the 1.2 L, 4-cyl Wagon-R or the Ignis. Don't get me wrong. 1L, 3cyl of S-presso is much more refined than other 3 cyl engines. There is no initial pickup when you try to push the motor. But in city, hardly matters. To my amazement, a gravel patch/rough road can be handled better by an S-Presso than Ignis. My uncle loves his car. I too agree, it is the best car for him. Great car for city commutes. Highway commute at 80-90 is no problem at all. Above 100, you feel you are floating on air. The car has great FE.
The problem with this car (for me) is the familiarity which most of us have with Maruti cars. There is no rear power windows. The instrument cluster, front power window all are at the center. The headlight leveling switch gear is different than other Marutis. But we can live with these.

My cousin who is 6'4" and is on the bulkier side wanted to buy a no-nonsense, point A-B, low maintenance, high FE. He bought the Wagon-R Zxi. The car is spacious. A person with a above average girth and height can fit easily and drive. Car footprint is also small. A very successful car, with no worries of spare parts in future. Resale value will also be high.

So my friend, all three cars are good. Depends on what is best for you. Test drive all three, see which you like. You cannot go wrong at any choice out of the three.

[Dr.Abhi]

Originally Posted by SaurabhB

I am planning to replace my 18 yr old 1st gen Swift LXi. Need a small, compact, fuel efficient car for city usage only (50 kms a day). I have Hexa for highway usage. Checking out S-Presso AGS, Wagon R 1.2 AGS and Ignis AGS.

Came across multiple you tube videos claiming that Ignis is getting discontinued and Nexa showrooms are not getting inventory.

Request all to chip in with their suggestions pls.

My father has ignis manual since 3 years (25k kms) and I am driving spresso dualjet manual since 2years (30k kms), so i think i can help you in this matter.

Ignis Characteristics- comparatively low slung, nice handeling, good noise insulation, no engine noise/vibration, easy to drive, comfortable seats, nice set of features on top variant, 19 kmpl mid mileage, ac takes time to cool, bumpy ride.

Spresso Characteristics- comparatively higher seating, good driver visibility, easy ingress/egress, nice low speed poor surface ride, brilliant a/c, 23 kmpl t2t mileage, unbeatable city manourveability/parking, good off road capability, nice space efficiency, boot is not centrally locked, high speed handling dont inspire confidence, lot of road noise above 70 kmph.

[condor]

Has anyone swapped only the speakers - without adding an amplifier ?

Which ones did you get ?
What was the result ?

[archat68]

Originally Posted by condor

Has anyone swapped only the speakers - without adding an amplifier ?

Which ones did you get ?
What was the result ?

I installed Morel maximo and a 8 inch Blaupunkt active sub. At the same time I changed the HU with a Sony touchscreen system in Zeta 6 years back.

[condor]

Originally Posted by archat68

I installed Morel maximo and a 8 inch Blaupunkt active sub. At the same time I changed the HU with a Sony touchscreen system in Zeta 6 years back.

Thanks, Archat. However, not looking to do a full change like that. Looking at just the speakers.

We have damped the car, and now external noise is controlled to a large extent. However, the shallowness of the stock speakers is getting quite obvious.

[archat68]

Originally Posted by condor

Thanks, Archat. However, not looking to do a full change like that. Looking at just the speakers.

We have damped the car, and now external noise is controlled to a large extent. However, the shallowness of the stock speakers is getting quite obvious.

You can change the speaker only too.

[condor]

Originally Posted by archat68

You can change the speaker only too.

Yes, I did check this part. We have taken apart most of the interiors and put them back in place, so we are aware of this.

The stock set up has some capacitor kind of thing on the tweeter to filter out excess frequency range.

So coming back to my question: After market components have a separate cross-over. If I want to only swap the speakers without adding an amp, then wanted to know if any one has done this. (Point to note - there is no amp to drive the additional cross-over that will be part of the After Market speaker set). And if yes, then which brand of (budget) speakers, and what was the result.

[archat68]

Originally Posted by condor

Yes, I did check this part. We have taken apart most of the interiors and put them back in place, so we are aware of this.

The stock set up has some capacitor kind of thing on the tweeter to filter out excess frequency range.

So coming back to my question: After market components have a separate cross-over. If I want to only swap the speakers without adding an amp, then wanted to know if any one has done this. (Point to note - there is no amp to drive the additional cross-over that will be part of the After Market speaker set). And if yes, then which brand of (budget) speakers, and what was the result.

The crossover is there for separating the higher and lower frequencies and distributing them to the respective component speaker. You do not need an amplifier to drive a crossover. In fact my setup doesn't have an amp. I directly run the speakers from the Sony HU.

Go to a good installer and audition the speakers choose whatever you like in your budget and which doesn't require lots of power to shine. Morel Maximo was good.

[condor]

Originally Posted by archat68

The crossover is there for separating the higher and lower frequencies and distributing them to the respective component speaker. You do not need an amplifier to drive a crossover..

If you understand where I am coming from - Many a speaker setup works better when driven through an amp. I have not said that the cross-over will not work without an amp.

[condor]

Got the first service done today. Just had them check the vehicle, without the washing. Could have stretched it another 5-6 days, but wanted to avoid the post holiday (for workshop) rush, plus availability of the car for us during & after the festive weekend.

Car hasnt run much since it was idle the first two weeks while we were working on it, and now just shy of 300km. AFE is 11.3 kmpl currently. Tyres are 185/65 running on 32/30 pressure. The bounciness that has been discussed so much is actually not seen much - may be a little more than my SCross that's about 350kg heavier. Love that silent hum of the engine - almost inaudible even if standing next to the bonnet. Only gripe is the lack of any seat height adjustment in the Zeta, but we will take care of that soon.

[ashvek3141]

Anyone has installed a rear camera in their Ignis Zeta? As the touchscreen is already available, one only needs to integrate the same.

I checked with a local accessories guy and he suggested the Blaukpant rear cam + an interface / coupler to avoid splicing of wires, costing 1500/- + 1000/- respectively. Even though the camera cost sounds okay, I found the coupler cost to be steep.

I haven’t seen the camera quality or anything and he said that I can either fit it above the number plate or the bumper, with his preference being the later.

[condor]

Originally Posted by ashvek3141

I checked with a local accessories guy and he suggested the Blaukpant rear cam + an interface / coupler to avoid splicing of wires,

If you have the refreshed Ignis with the new HU, then this has a ready & separate port on the reverse of the HU where the camera connector will be plugged in. The wires from the camera will connect to this. So not sure what is this point about cutting (stock) wires.

Blaupunkt has two versions - one for the hatch door, and one for the bumper. The second one is priced les (check carhatke). This will be easier to install in the sense that the wires from the camera will be easier to route to the HU display.

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Looking at the product page there, the extra connector (actuator) that goes into the HU will be required.

[ashvek3141]

Originally Posted by condor

If you have the refreshed Ignis with the new HU, then this has a ready & separate port on the reverse of the HU where the camera connector will be plugged in. The wires from the camera will connect to this. So not sure what is this point about cutting (stock) wires.

Sorry I missed to mention the model details. It's an Oct 2023 make Ignis Zeta BS6.

Well, the connector that the accessory guy mentioned is for the 'coupler-to-coupler' fitment which will eliminate the need for splicing any wires and I presume that is what you also mention here.

So, this particular coupler / interface costs ~ 1000/-. Else, it's the primitive / crude way of splicing the wiring and taping them.

[condor]

Originally Posted by ashvek3141

So, this particular coupler / interface costs ~ 1000/-. Else, it's the primitive / crude way of splicing the wiring and taping them.

From what I know: the HU is a modular in construction in the sense that the reverse cam has a separate connector (actutator) socket on the back of the HU. With such a setup, the reverse cam display cannot be fed into the HU in any other way like splicing wires.

From your posts, I am beginning to wonder if this accessories shop guy has done work on Ingis Zeta before this, and seems to be giving you generic info. Your other option is to go with Maruti service centre for a cost of 6k, but you will get the exact parts that are used on the Alpha. (their camera is expensive).

Btw, ours is a Zeta too, and we did the installation about 2 weeks back.

[ashvek3141]

Originally Posted by condor

Your other option is to go with Maruti service centre for a cost of 6k, but you will get the exact parts that are used on the Alpha. (their camera is expensive).

I did check this option earlier and their option of getting the Alpha model camera arrangement is pretty expensive. Nexa quoted me a whopping 9k.

Whereas the aftermarket camera on the bumper costs 6k itseems at Nexa.

Hence, I’m going the aftermarket route via a local accessory shop who’s giving the Blaukpant camera for 2.5k.

Btw, ours is a Zeta too, and we did the installation about 2 weeks back.

You got the Alpha’s original camera?