[Sheel]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

They avoided key advantages like ride comfort, handling and most of all, Land Rover inspired Terrain Management System with a rear differential lock,

Call me old fashioned but it would be confusing as to which mode to select when an obstacle comes. I would prefer to shift between 2H/4H/4L, differential locks or not.

[n.devdath]

Originally Posted by Sheel

Call me old fashioned but it would be confusing as to which mode to select when an obstacle comes. I would prefer to shift between 2H/4H/4L, differential locks or not.

Yes, you are old fashioned....!!!

Also, negating today's smart vehicle systems is like saying I'd rather go the bank to withdraw cash using a withdrawal slip/cheque rather than using an ATM since it gives me so many options to choose or like saying I prefer to use my landline phone since a cellphone has too many apps and buttons.


Just like the above examples and many more, modern technology is made keeping in mind ease of usage, so it isn't a problem.

Coming to diff locks, their value add is an internationally proven fact, no questions here.

BTW, looks like you are already contemplating your upgrade...!!! All the best.

[Sheel]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

Also, negating today's smart vehicle systems is like saying I'd rather go the bank to withdraw cash using a withdrawal slip/cheque rather than using an ATM since it gives me so many options to choose or like saying I prefer to use my landline phone since a cellphone has too many apps and buttons.

Not really, different parameters you see. Depends on preference. I in 4H wouldn't stop to change modes where traversing different terrain, whereas some one who prefers would.

Different strokes for different folks.

And yes, I am upgrading, but the tires of my current ride, that is what I can afford now.

[n.devdath]

Originally Posted by Sheel

I in 4H wouldn't stop to change modes where traversing different terrain, whereas some one who prefers would.

You need not, in a modern vehicle like the Endy, which is permanent AWD, that is technology at work for you.

[Sheel]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

You need not, in a modern vehicle like the Endy, which is permanent AWD, that is technology at work for you.

Then why the terrain management system in the first place? I am not talking about obstacles where the torque split between wheels will take care if the situation.
Save for Range/Land Rovers, do others have something similar? Jeeps, Land Cruisers, Patrol, G-Wagen?

[n.devdath]

Originally Posted by Sheel

Then why the terrain management system in the first place?

Because it is the next step to a conventional TOD system.

Originally Posted by Sheel

Save for Range/Land Rovers, do others have something similar? Jeeps, Land Cruisers, Patrol, G-Wagen?

Oh yes, they do. Look up Active Drive, 4-ETS, and the Patrol's specs, you will know.

Multi mode 4WD systems are used worldwide and are hugely successful.

Too much OT discussion here I guess, ping me or let us take in further on the 4x4 section from here onwards if you need any more pointers.

[nareshtrao]

Originally Posted by Sheel

Then why the terrain management system in the first place? I am not talking about obstacles where the torque split between wheels will take care if the situation.
Save for Range/ Rovers, do others have something similar? Jeeps, Land Cruisers, Patrol, G-Wagen?

Before this discussion goes completely off topic, I seek permission to submit the clarification - Mods, Kindly excuse one last post - To answer Sheel's question and also to bring reference to Endeavour, which is the topic here.

Yes both Jeep and Landcruiser have similar Terrain Management Systems. In Jeep, the Trail Rated vehicles have CommandTrac and in LandCruisers, they are called Multi Terrain Select. All these and Ford's Terrain Management System are very very similar. Also all these vehicles have Limited Slip Differential, unlike Fortuner.

By the way, to clarify and bring this back to the Thread Topic, This TMS system in Endeavour was developed by Ford - Land Rover. At that time, Ford owned Land Rover prior to selling to Tata's. That technology was then transferred to other Ford vehicles as well, the best known of the series being F150, 350 etc. and Raptor series. So what we have essentially is an improved version of erstwhile Land Rover developed TMS.

Also key to note is that while Toyota uses similar engines in Fortuner and LandCruisers, the latter have the TMS thereby justifying the higher price - of course apart from other features and creature comforts over Fortuner.

Essentially Fortuner was never positioned against these large 4x4 Trucks till it became a big hit in South East Asia, and of course, India and that is how Toyota decided to position it as a premium SUV in these "under-developed markets".

Hope this explains. Rest when we move to the 4x4 Forum. Thank you.

[prateekvidya]

Originally Posted by nareshtrao

Before this discussion goes completely off topic, I seek permission to submit the clarification -
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Hope this explains. Rest when we move to the 4x4 Forum. Thank you.

I think this is very nicely summarised - the Indian market operates very differently from US as far as road presence SUVs is considered, which puts cars like Endeavour and Fortuner in a premium category. This, of course, is also driven by price-points due to our heavy import duties which makes the real premium SUVs a car only few can afford (unlike the US where price-points, interest rates and second hand market is highly suitable for masses).

That said, it doesnt take away anything from these 2 SUVs, they are still pretty good, and in the Indian context, the Endeavour is a high VFM offering - compare it to a ride in a Land Rover on Indian roads and you would find it difficult to justify the additional costs (including maintenance and second hand movement).

[nrahul]

Originally Posted by ecosport rules

4)I am using the brand " laser shades"
They are magnetic and easy to remove and jnstall

Superb sun control and great visibility at night too

Hi Ecosport,

I saw the "laser shades" installed on Fortuner and they look really good. Do you know where I can get these from? I checked couple of local car deco shops but they don't have these for Endeavour.

Thanks

[nareshtrao]

Originally Posted by nrahul

Hi Ecosport,

I saw the "laser shades" installed on Fortuner and they look really good. Do you know where I can get these from? I checked couple of local car deco shops but they don't have these for Endeavour.

Thanks

I contacted Laser Shades and they responded that they have not yet launched a product for Endeavour.

However, I found this on Amazon which is almost exactly as good as Laser Shades. Good fit as well. Costs around Rs. 1200/-

http://www.amazon.in/Able-Spider-Mag...ilpage_o02_s00

edit: Just noticed, this is now out of stock

On a different subject: here is a link to a brief write-up in Autocar on the 4x4 drive experience organized earlier

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-fea...ce-404500.aspx

[ecosport rules]

Originally Posted by nrahul

Hi Ecosport,

I saw the "laser shades" installed on Fortuner and they look really good. Do you know where I can get these from? I checked couple of local car deco shops but they don't have these for Endeavour.

Thanks

Small world Rahul,we meet again.
Please PM me your mobile number as we forgot to exchange them at 3M

Originally Posted by nareshtrao

I contacted Laser Shades and they responded that they have not yet launched a product for Endeavour.

However, I found this on Amazon which is almost exactly as good as Laser Shades. Good fit as well]

Hello Nareshtrao ,

I have done extensive research on these shades as I was reluctant to install any kind of film.

Prices range from 1000 to 10000 and trust me, you get what you pay for.

Laser is the best in heat rejection and others follow in that order.

Another brand is 12 volts which is decent enough.

Zipper ones are the worst quality of the lot,also not safe as it covers the entire glass.(I think nrahul mentioned that he had bought these initially)

[nareshtrao]

Originally Posted by ecosport rules

I have done extensive research on these shades as I was reluctant to install any kind of film.

Prices range from 1000 to 10000 and trust me, you get what you pay for.

Laser is the best in heat rejection and others follow in that order.

Another brand is 12 volts which is decent enough.

Zipper ones are the worst quality of the lot,also not safe as it covers the entire glass.(I think nrahul mentioned that he had bought these initially)

I totally agree. However, Laser Shades responded that they do not have one for the New Endeavour yet.

Which brand did you buy?

[sunishsamuel]

Finally got the seat covers. These are the insert types so easy to insert and no stitching/damages to the leather seats. Hoping this will keep dirt away. Not available for the last row seats though.

[tortoise]

Originally Posted by sunishsamuel

Finally got the seat covers. These are the insert types so easy to insert and no stitching/damages to the leather seats. Hoping this will keep dirt away. Not available for the last row seats though.

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Looks cool. Where did you get that?

[lollapalooza]

Originally Posted by sunishsamuel

Finally got the seat covers. These are the insert types so easy to insert and no stitching/damages to the leather seats. Hoping this will keep dirt away. Not available for the last row seats though.



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Looks cool but a couple of questions:

1/ do they stay on even after people move about in their seats? and 2/ will they impede the working of side airbags?

Thanks!