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Got the Alignment and Balancing done at Madhu's yesterday. Upon noticing the highlighted part and checking with Nikhil, he explained to me that the rear axle toe values are fixed on the Baleno and any change if at all have to be done with MASS. Are these a cause of concern and do you think they have to be corrected?
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Originally Posted by amvj
(Post 4396942)
^ I said the same in the previous threads. However, the more and more crumbling Maruti cars I see, I am losing confidence. I have plonked 9L for this tin can. I have my concerns.
Since side crash tests are conducted at 50kmph (ENCAP) and the new Swift passed these test in the crash tests. I find the structure is not stable here.
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Dear Sir, side crash tests are carried out through moving carriage hitting the stationary vehicle with speeds as per specific NCAP programs.
But in this case both the vehicles were in dynamic condition and this could not be predicted in any homologation program for crash ratings.
Wearing seatbelts is mandatory! A person could not be saved in car crash of 5-start rated vehicle,if he is not buckled up.
Your car is based on new generation program and is compliant with crash as well pedestrian safety norms. So do not loose confidence!
This is just my opinion, based on experience! No offence!
Regards,
Sourabh
The sheet metals of newer Maruti cars are very thin. Just take a lot at the kerb weight of the Baleno and newer Swift with similar cars in the segment. That explains a lot. Also the plastic quality is just poor. I was cursing my car for the poor interior plastics until I have seen Vitara Brezza which is way beyond belief.
The whole thing just spoils the experience. Not only that, a small crash makes large area disintegrated, crumbled and way beyond recognition. Don't take my word, just see countless crash photos.
Until the Govt steps in and make strict crash rules, manufacturers like Maruti, Renault, Nissan / Datsun will take people for a ride. Also I don't have much hope since we would not be having tighter rules like Euro NCAP from what I have heard. Ministers are clueless and they don't have any idea whatsoever. It is better to move out of this country rather than driving these shoddy cars and get killed.
Seat belt is just to keep the person in the seat. If the whole car crumble like a papadom, there is no point of that thing but that is what happening in newer Maruti cars. I am sure once the new Ertiga is launched, it will follow this list. Since that also shares the Heartec platform (or whatever rubbish it is called).
I would like to reiterate, that I have made a huge mistake in buying Baleno. I am sure it will be reliable, fuel efficient, has lot of service centers but what is the point when you can't be alive from a crash or with a small crash you end up paying huge amount of money to repair / replace the disintegrated area.
^ BTW, you sounds like some one from Maruti marketing team and in damage control mode. So that my post would not put off any potential buyers. You might think, I am also sound like someone from competitor company want to tarnish Maruti name but my concerns are genuine. Hand on heart.
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Originally Posted by amvj
(Post 4398636)
It is better to move out of this country rather than driving these shoddy cars and get killed.
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Will you move out of country because maruti is making light cars? Hilarious:uncontrol
Does it mean there are no safe cars produced in our country anymore?
or all cars made in india are totally unsafe?
Or does it mean you want a VW vento/Skoda rapid like quality in 7-8 lakhs, but are disappointed no one is getting such cars?
Even if you do go abroad now, are you going to buy safest car out there immediately?
FYI, Kerb weight of Baleno and Swift in India and abroad are identical.
I am no expert, but I bought Baleno keeping in mind it was crash tested in Euro NCAP and performed decently, and is a global model.
I don't care much about thin sheet metal, as long the car is crash tested by a reputable agency and has done decently.
^ Well Skoda, VW cars are rubbish in other depts, say, after sales support. Unlike US, we don't have strong laws to protect customers. It is 2018 and still we don't have crash test standards. There is a compromise in choosing cars here.
I don't know what makes this very hilarious for you. It is such a national shame - poor roads, Citizens never follow any traffic rules, manufacturers sell whatever shoddy cars they build.
After the Indian built Kwid failed the crash tests, Nissan issued a statement that it follows all Indian rules. Just looks how low they are going. That is the level of importance they are giving since foreigners still call our country as third world. That is because it is.
VW, Skoda - Horrible after sales and consumer horror stories
Nissan, Renault, Datsun, Maruti - Death traps
Ford - Somewhere in the wall. Some of them were rubbish, some of them very good
Hyundai - Same like Ford
Fiat - I don't think I need to explain
Toyota - No exciting hatchbacks. Also the one they sell here looks like its built during the 1950s.
What I am trying to say is this, there is a huge market for manufacturers to build truly safe cars and crash test it in Europe and market it here. There is not need to chase fuel efficiency and Maruti. They would still win with decent after sales support. VW, Skoda failed miserably here.
Until that 'particular' manufacturer come here and build safe cars, its better to go to different country for not only for cars but also for the Govt in that country that value the people by providing proper (free) education, free medical etc. Here ministers and Govt officials are bribing and ruining this country.
Well I don't want to drag this thread any more for off-topic.
Hello Sir,
I understand that you are not satisfied with said product and I appreciate that you are sharing your true opinion/views.
Quality norms & features are based on, & are controlled by the Design Rules of a specific nation- these standards provide guidelines for the vehicle manufacturers right from manufacturing process to Final QC check for vehicles made for a particular market. In addition to these there are NCAP norms, you are already aware of the same.
Products made for Indian market comply with the existing norms, which are lenient and are influenced by industries/SIAM etc. due to known factors.
Now one could blame the government for not implementing the safety features as mandatory ones across all platforms.
BNVSAP guidelines are stringent & it would be implemented soon. (e.g. like BS3 to BS4)
Believe me, I am nowhere related to MSIL or any of its subsidiaries.
I am serving CV industry in R&D wing, not marketing.
Regards,
Sourabh
Brother, just sell that car and buy something that you feel is safe. Simple.
Moderator Note: No more off-topic posts please. Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Dieselritzer
(Post 4394399)
How does the CVT Baleno perform on highways? this is something that i can never test in Mumbai, hence asking your view. Can it cruise in a relaxed manner at 120/130 on the expressways?
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I have a Oct '2017 Baleno Zeta CVT -- driven 10k kms till date and almost all of that on the chennai - bangalore highway.
Before buying the car I had a lot of doubts on:
A. How would i do a overtaking maneuver as I could not change the gear and zip ahead.
B.Would I have enough power in the highway drives
All these questions were allayed as the car is very stable on the highways. Overtaking can be done seamlessly while driving with ofcourse being in the right speed/RPM.You could use the 'S' mode while over taking but its not really required. The 'D' mode is enough to drive.
You can cruise on very comfortably in the highways.
Its a wonderful car and I love the CVT tech and would probably never go back to manual. The only -ve is the build quality which is extremely thin and even a small bump would make the bumper lose shape.
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Originally Posted by rajinibm
(Post 4399090)
I have a Oct '2017 Baleno Zeta CVT -- driven 10k kms till date and almost all of that on the chennai - bangalore highway.
Before buying the car I had a lot of doubts on:
A. How would i do a overtaking maneuver as I could not change the gear and zip ahead.
B.Would I have enough power in the highway drives
All these questions were allayed as the car is very stable on the highways. Overtaking can be done seamlessly while driving with ofcourse being in the right speed/RPM.You could use the 'S' mode while over taking but its not really required. The 'D' mode is enough to drive.
You can cruise on very comfortably in the highways.
Its a wonderful car and I love the CVT tech and would probably never go back to manual. The only -ve is the build quality which is extremely thin and even a small bump would make the bumper lose shape.
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Originally Posted by VEA
(Post 4395280)
especially if you are on the right most lane overtaking something and there is car closing behind you to overtake you. It is embarrasing that you cannot finish the overtaking manouvre quickly enough and move left. The steering is a bit delayed in action and needs not so subtle corrections to stay in your lane at those speeds which is weird. If you are used to one handed cruising, this is going to bother you.
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Actually I have never had the problem in overtaking , It moves fast! Starting from signals - yes - it takes a moment to build up speed .
Never faced any issues with the steering -- feel its precise and direct and I always drive with one hand -- left hand is on the arm rest always and right on the steering wheel and its just perfect!
Mods - pls combine the top two posts! not able to do the multipost after editing.Unintended!
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Originally Posted by bluevolt
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As far as I know, it requires a professional installation. Why don't you go and check at Nexa? They have this as an accessory at about the same price as you see on boodmo. They will do a good job installing it on your car. Or else if the price is high at Nexa, order online and get it fixed at any service center.
I've a question for Baleno CVT users. I don't see hill assist feature listed in the feature list. How easy or difficult is it to drive the CVT variant in steep inclines? I don't see manual control also as in Swift or Dzire AMT.
You need not worry about the car rolling back. You will have sufficient time to move your feet from brake to gas pedal before the car rolls back. And it wont roll back unless it is a really steep slope. Even if it rolls back, its not a free roll.
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Originally Posted by scorpion_blore
(Post 4399710)
I've a question for Baleno CVT users. I don't see hill assist feature listed in the feature list. How easy or difficult is it to drive the CVT variant in steep inclines? I don't see manual control also as in Swift or Dzire AMT.
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Unless u are on a very steep slope the following should work. Engage sport mode and shift to L- this should give you more than sufficient time to shift your leg from brake to accelerator. Have never encountered a slope where the above did not work.
For reference- I have tried this in yercaud on almost 35 degree slope with a fully loaded car- the car did not roll back ( this from standstill in middle of slope).
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