[Wanderers]

Originally Posted by CRtorquefan

Hyundai have listed Grand i10 Sportz variant & Sports edition in the prices of Grand i10, with a price difference of Rs.15-16k.
Can anybody tell what's the difference between this Sportz variant & Sports edition ?

Waiting for your replies bhp-ians.

Hi

I recently bought Grand i10.
My advise is not to go for Sports Limited edition as you pay higher than Sportz Model but it misses the important Push-Button Start-Stop, which is available in Sportz & Asta.

However if you would like to have steering control for music & bluetooth along with Diamond cut alloy wheels, Sports Limited edition is good value for money.

If you are going for Grand Diesel and since they have bigger discounts, you may take a Asta Model with all the features and get it at a price less than Sports Limited Edition.

[D'Artagnan]

Does any one have visibility problems in the Grand i10?

I drive the top end Asta (O) petrol variant. Here are my observations after 5k kms.

I cannot see where the front bumper starts and no way am I able to judge where the left and right extremes of the front bumper are when I am driving.

Second problem: the ORVM are quite long I am not able to judge properly, how much gap am I supposed to put between the car to my left, I usually end up over compensating on my right side

Third problem: My biggest grouse, if I drive close behind a car in traffic and say there is a pot hole ahead, I literally drive over the pot hole because I missed seeing it. It has happened on multiple occasions and frankly I am double minded on selling my car because of this problem.

I am 5.9 feet, which I presume is avg height of an Indian. I have set my seat to maximum height and also tried adding a cushion to improve the seat height but my bottom kept slipping of the cushion and it didn't really aid in visibility in anyway. Has anyone else faced this problem, how did you work around the problem?

I feel the dashboard has been set high and the whole bonnet area is tall. Some help would be great, I love this car, it's great around the city, it's comfortable and the quality makes me go umm-ahh (like an Italian) all the time.

[RavSam]

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

Does any one have visibility problems in the Grand i10?
I feel the dashboard has been set high and the whole bonnet area is tall. Some help would be great, I love this car, it's great around the city, it's comfortable and the quality makes me go umm-ahh (like an Italian) all the time.

Brother, most of the new cars are designed in such a way that it's really difficult or impossible to see the end of the bonnet. With the prevalence of cab forward designs, only the cars with a long bonnet and raked windscreen can provide such a visibility.

Even in Honda's newer cars including the City you just can't see the bonnet's end. It's just a matter of getting used to.

I guess only the cars based on older generations like the Altos and Figos and some high-set SUVs can you manage to see it. Else it all comes down to your judgement. So, please don't sell such a gem of a car for such a minor issue.

[aaggoswami]

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

Does any one have visibility problems in the Grand i10?

I drive the top end Asta (O) petrol variant. Here are my observations after 5k kms.

I cannot see where the front bumper starts and no way am I able to judge where the left and right extremes of the front bumper are when I am driving.

Second problem: the ORVM are quite long I am not able to judge properly, how much gap am I supposed to put between the car to my left, I usually end up over compensating on my right side

Third problem: My biggest grouse, if I drive close behind a car in traffic and say there is a pot hole ahead, I literally drive over the pot hole because I missed seeing it. It has happened on multiple occasions and frankly I am double minded on selling my car because of this problem.

The average Indian male height is 5.5 feet ( approx. ), your height above the average Indian height.

Mirror width judgement does fall short as the outer edges are tapering, which, for example, is not the case with Innova. I find driving Innova easier than Grand i10 as far as visibility and judgement are concerned. But this is not deal breaker for me.

Design IMO is such that visibility would be less if you are following the vehicle in front of you too closely. Trick here is to have more distance between you and the vehicle in front of you. But in horrible driving conditions prevalent in India, this means all two-wheelers, autos, even four wheelers will try to snap into that gap. This problem coupled with short suspension travel means that driving in bad roads at slow speeds is a headache. If you dont maintain gap, you end up with less visibility and short suspension out of its comfort zone.
Dashboard height should have been lower.

However, even Wagon R has a high set dashboard, but I dont find this visibility concern which I find with Grand i10. I dont expect to see bumper end, but the slanting hood does make things difficult. All I can see is water spraying nozzle at best.

Except for good NVH and above average overall quality, there is nothing going great for Grand i10.

BTW, I have diesel magna ( which does not have height adjustable driver's seat ) and Wagon R lxi ( again, the driver seat is not height adjustable ). I find driving Wagon R in city a better option than Grand i10.

My car has done over 3700 kms and a few updates I would like to share :

1) Suspension isn't good enough. Short travel spoils the game.

2) Seats are horrible. After an year of hardly average use, my front driver seat cushion seems to have lowered down. Horrible quality and cost cutting. Literally, sitting in driver's seat is noticeably lower than sitting in co-passenger's seat ( which has seen lower usage ). This has not happened in Wagon R.

3) Poor, very poor lower back support. Had back pain from which I am yet to recovery fully. Driving Wagon R is so much better. Today, I did a 35 kms. highway drive in Grand i10, lower back did hurt. Does not happen in Wagon R.

4) After my express-highway drive on 7th dec., engine seems to have opened up. Not sure if its winter effect, but lower end responses have shown some improvement.

5) One night at around 01:30 AM mom had some severe leg pain ( she is diabetic since last 20 years or so ). Had to get some medicines quikly ( consulted our doctor and my uncle on phone to get medicine names ).
Had to drive my grand i10 at night and it was horrible. Lights are very inadequate, even after installation of osram 60/55W H4. Again, if I compare it with Wagon R, Wagon R is 100 % better. MSIL has got the basics right with Wagon R I think. OEM bulb in Grand i10 = Halonix 60/55 H4, OEM bulb in Wagon R = Philips 60/55W H4. Speaks a lot about cheap cost cutting which Hyundai has resorted to.

Overall, I am not satisfied with my purchase. Seats, lights, suspension are below average so is the diesel engine. The fact that driver's seat cushion sags down with so much less usage is a shock to me. M800 which we used for 20 years fared better than Grand i10.
In my family we are thinking of selling Wagon R and Grand i10, getting something better. Mom does not like this idea and my usage us pretty less, so lets see.
All I know is that Japs are somehow, better than Korean when it comes to honesty and getting basic correct. That MSIL resorted to fixed headrest front seats in Celerio is a nasty surprise to me. Wagon R somehow seems to be the most practical city car ( if one does not need a diesel ). Dad is inclined on getting a new Wagon R with ABS, but the petrol price and lack of highway stability owing to high centre of gravity is holding me back.

[Sid13]

Post by aagoswami and D'Artagnan is scaring me a bit. I am on the verge of booking Grand Asta(O). But quality and long term usablity is something that I want at all costs. May i should consider VW Polo Highline petrol as well?

[D'Artagnan]

Originally Posted by RavSam

Brother, most of the new cars are designed in such a way that it's really difficult or impossible to see the end of the bonnet. With the prevalence of cab forward designs, only the cars with a long bonnet and raked windscreen can provide such a visibility.

Even in Honda's newer cars including the City you just can't see the bonnet's end. It's just a matter of getting used to.

I guess only the cars based on older generations like the Altos and Figos and some high-set SUVs can you manage to see it. Else it all comes down to your judgement. So, please don't sell such a gem of a car for such a minor issue.

Could you give me a link to get more info about cab forward designs?. I have not heard about this term.
I wouldn't call it a minor issue, it is tough for me. We have an Innova and a Vento both dont have such issues and my previous 2nd gen Corolla didn't have this problem too. I have driven, Swift, Polo didn't notice any visibility issues there. Lastly I wont sell it off so easily will try adjusting to it using it for a few months before I take any decision.

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

Mirror width judgement does fall short as the outer edges are tapering, which, for example, is not the case with Innova. I find driving Innova easier than Grand i10 as far as visibility and judgement are concerned. But this is not deal breaker for me.

Design IMO is such that visibility would be less if you are following the vehicle in front of you too closely. Trick here is to have more distance between you and the vehicle in front of you. But in horrible driving conditions prevalent in India, this means all two-wheelers, autos, even four wheelers will try to snap into that gap. This problem coupled with short suspension travel means that driving in bad roads at slow speeds is a headache. If you dont maintain gap, you end up with less visibility and short suspension out of its comfort zone.
Dashboard height should have been lower.

However, even Wagon R has a high set dashboard, but I dont find this visibility concern which I find with Grand i10. I dont expect to see bumper end, but the slanting hood does make things difficult. All I can see is water spraying nozzle at best.

All I know is that Japs are somehow, better than Korean when it comes to honesty and getting basic correct..

We drive the same cars aaggoswami (Innova & Grand) . I agree with you driving an Innova in city is a lot easier than driving the Grandi10. And in traffic I often try to keep myself in the sweet spot not too close to miss a pothole and not too far to let pesky two wheelers barge in, still it's quite a challenge to drive the car though. I'm hoping another 3k kms behind the wheel will get me adjusted and most importantly, I feel I should drive without worrying too much, that maybe is holding me back a bit.

++ for the Japanese knowing how to design a car that can be used daily.

Originally Posted by Sid13

Post by aagoswami and D'Artagnan is scaring me a bit. I am on the verge of booking Grand Asta(O). But quality and long term usablity is something that I want at all costs. May i should consider VW Polo Highline petrol as well?

Sid, if you were in my town I would have given you the car for a day and let you be the judge yourself. But since you aren't I want you to drive the car taking note of the points I listed. Go for a long test drive, try to get accustomed to the vehicle as much as possible. When inside the showroom, ask someone to stand in front of the car right next to the bumper and then tell them to move back until their ankles are visible, that will give you a good idea about visibility. Good luck choosing a new ride

[Fastrack21]

Does anyone know what is the new on-road pricing for Grandi10 at Hyundai showrooms in mumbai after the price hike across variants. If anyone has the latest break-up, kindly upload. Thanks

[H_Dogg72]

I'd like to know if the AT Asta has ABS and airbags.
ie. Is it the Asta(O)?
From my research it seems it is just the normal asta without abs and airbags.
The options for a safe AT petrol hatch are so damn limited.

[anks_at]

Originally Posted by H_Dogg72

I'd like to know if the AT Asta has ABS and airbags.
ie. Is it the Asta(O)?
From my research it seems it is just the normal asta without abs and airbags.
The options for a safe AT petrol hatch are so damn limited.

Its just Asta. No airbags & no ABS

[RSR]

It looks like Hyundai have silently discontinued the Sportz AT variant of the Grand i10. Automatic transmission is now available only on the Asta variant. The updated prices (after the lapse of excise concessions) on the website reflect the same:



I believe discontinuing the Asta AT and introducing an Asta(O) AT would have been a much better idea! As I keep repeating so often, providing airbags and ABS on the Grand i10 AT would give it a big boost in terms of sales numbers. Hyundai only need to look at the tremendous success of the Xcent SX(O) AT. I simply don't understand how they can miss such an obvious thing!

The discontinuation of the Sportz AT variant does give some hope of introduction of the much needed Asta(O) AT, though.

Also, now that the Santro has been retired and the old i10 is being eased into the position occupied by the original tall boy (even in the city taxi market), Hyundai can afford to spread out the petrol variants of the Grand i10. They can offer the 1.0 Kappa on the Era and Magna variants (including the existing 1.0 Magna LPGi) with a lower price tag & a higher ARAI FE number, while continuing with the 1.2 Kappa on the Sportz and Asta variants. A better spread of safety features across variants is also a much needed thing!

[S2!!!]

Originally Posted by RSR

I
I believe discontinuing the Asta AT and introducing an Asta(O) AT would have been a much better idea! As I keep repeating so often, providing airbags and ABS on the Grand i10 AT would give it a big boost in terms of sales numbers. Hyundai only need to look at the tremendous success of the Xcent SX(O) AT. I simply don't understand how they can miss such an obvious thing!

So true

Hyundai could have discontinued the Asta variant and introduced the Asta (o) variant while keeping the Sportz variant as is. The Sportz variant would have been significantly cheaper (~60k ex-showroom) than the top end Asta (o) and it is well equipped too apart from ABS and airbags. Those who still don't want airbags and ABS could have opted for the Sportz while the others would have got the benefit of ABS and airbags with the Asta (o).

Hyundai should have widened the appeal of the Grand i10 auto using this strategy IMO.

[chaudh2s]

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

Does any one have visibility problems in the Grand i10?

I drive the top end Asta (O) petrol variant. Here are my observations after 5k kms.

I cannot see where the front bumper starts and no way am I able to judge where the left and right extremes of the front bumper are when I am driving.

Second problem: the ORVM are quite long I am not able to judge properly, how much gap am I supposed to put between the car to my left, I usually end up over compensating on my right side

First Problem: It is designed that way. Bumpers are placed below bonnet level and normally one is not able to see it once seated inside. But once one earns sufficient years of experience behind the wheels, necessity to see bumper edges is no longer required.
Second problem: Again with experience you would no longer face this issue.

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

Third problem: My biggest grouse, if I drive close behind a car in traffic and say there is a pot hole ahead, I literally drive over the pot hole because I missed seeing it. It has happened on multiple occasions and frankly I am double minded on selling my car because of this problem.

This is a natural phenomenon, when your line of sight is terminating on the vehicle in front of you and not on the ground, you won't be able to see anything on the ground, be it a pothole, a stone or anything else. And it is natural that you actually (not literally) drive over that thing on the road. This is not a design flaw of the vehicle but your driving inexperience or poor judgement. With experience you would be able to tide over this.

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

I feel the dashboard has been set high and the whole bonnet area is tall. Some help would be great, I love this car, it's great around the city, it's comfortable and the quality makes me go umm-ahh (like an Italian) all the time.

I would suggest you don't lose heart, your vehicle is perfectly alright and once you have clocked sufficient years of driving experience, you would laugh at yourself when you would see this above post of yours.
If it still doesn't works out, you can try installing long rods at each end of the front bumper, which will aid you in gauging the extents of your car. A reversing camera on the front bumper(angled downward) to see beneath the car in front would also be helpful. Or, if nothing else works, you can use the services of a spotter (like off roaders do), who can guide your vehicle from the outside, out of harms way. Hope it helps.

[Sid13]

Originally Posted by chaudh2s

First Problem: It is designed that way. Bumpers are placed below bonnet level and normally one is not able to see it once seated inside. But once one earns sufficient years of experience behind the wheels, necessity to see bumper edges is no longer required.
Second problem: Again with experience you would no longer face this issue.


This is a natural phenomenon, when your line of sight is terminating on the vehicle in front of you and not on the ground, you won't be able to see anything on the ground, be it a pothole, a stone or anything else. And it is natural that you actually (not literally) drive over that thing on the road. This is not a design flaw of the vehicle but your driving inexperience or poor judgement. With experience you would be able to tide over this.


I would suggest you don't lose heart, your vehicle is perfectly alright and once you have clocked sufficient years of driving experience, you would laugh at yourself when you would see this above post of yours.
If it still doesn't works out, you can try installing long rods at each end of the front bumper, which will aid you in gauging the extents of your car. A reversing camera on the front bumper(angled downward) to see beneath the car in front would also be helpful. Or, if nothing else works, you can use the services of a spotter (like off roaders do), who can guide your vehicle from the outside, out of harms way. Hope it helps.

A member who owns both innova and grandi10 was also saying visibility issues could be a valid negative point in case of grandi10. I have not personally driven grand so can't comment. Seems like you have driven grandi10. How does it fare in terms of front visibility compared to other cars.

[SydNaz]

• Despite the contemporary design, the i10's coefficient of drag rating is merely average @ 0.35. The Swift & Polo bodies are more aerodynamic.

Since the i10 has a poor drag co-efficient, its fuel economy particularly on the highways should also be considerably lower than the Swift and Polo, right?

I guess the 3 cylinder diesel should offer superb fuel economy (atleast in the city), right?
Anyone remember the TopGear "race to blackpool" episode, where the 3 cylinder Polo Bluemotion first reaches Blackpool in northern England from Basel in Switzerland on a single tank of diesel.

[venkyhere]

Originally Posted by SydNaz

I guess the 3 cylinder diesel should offer superb fuel economy (atleast in the city), right?
Anyone remember the TopGear "race to blackpool" episode, where the 3 cylinder Polo Bluemotion first reaches Blackpool in northern England from Basel in Switzerland on a single tank of diesel.

in the city trapped in stop-go traffic, the small engine in a small car is better.
However, on highways, doing 90-100 kmph speeds, the bigger 1.5 TDI in the polo would be more efficient than the smaller 1.2 TDI in the same car. (assuming that the acceleration from both drivers to reach 100 is the same).
w.r.t the top gear episode, you forgot to mention about the diesel jaaag with a much bigger turbo and much bigger engine also did the same, at a lower mpg, but with wasteful driving over most of the journey.