[vinjosep]

Does Liva come with harness provision for rear speakers along with the OEM HU? I'm refering to the GD version. The sales guy didn't have a clue

[JonSnow]

Can any Liva owner please confirm if the Liva comes with seat belt pretensioners ?

[aaggoswami]

Had a look at 2014 Etios, following are my observations :

1) The NVH of diesel is as good as or better than my Grand i10. Finally Toyota gets this one right, specially the engine noise. Wish Innova was equally silent ( without any price increase ).

2) Ride is composed, car is stable even at speeds higher than 100.

3) Fantastic front visibility.

4) Has sufficient shoulder room, more than Grand i10.

5) Liva Petrol is available for 6.28 on road + 2% ex-showroom VMC tax. This has ABS+airbags. This brings me to brakes, the brakes of even non ABS Liva are awesome. ABS are probably the best in segment. Car never feels nervous under braking, something which cannot be said for my Grand i10.

Now, the concern :
Infinium Toyota, Vadodara, is not very happy with me getting insurance of my choice i.e. from outside. Wonder why So. The sales person did not confirm, but I am sure he will be assertive on this.
Also, the "Handling Charges" are way too much.
Worst part : I could not drive Petrol Liva. Wonder why they are not having even Test Drive vehicle.

Also, I did call Toyota Toll Free number, they confirmed I can get the insurance from outside and also that if any dealer forces me to pay "handling charges", I can lodge complaint. This straight away shaves off Rs. 6400/- handling charge and also around 3-4 K in Insurance.

[mayanktyagi2000]

Originally Posted by amalji

Every time, I take my car to the service center, I get surprised by the low bills that I get on both my Etios and my mother's Liva. I decided to do a research on the reason for that and this is what I came up with.

Comparison is with Ford and Maruti

Thank you Toyota for still adhering to your durability standards that you set long back.

Attachment 1051861

PS: I've copied the other manufacturer's service intervals from user manuals found on my friend's cars. If there is any correction that is needed, feel free to do so. I'll modify my image accordingly.

Hi Amalji,
Found the information provided by you extremely usefull.
I was planning to buy a car for Taxi usage in city limits.
Wondering what is the life expectancy of Liva D, Can I expect 2 Lakh kms over 3 yrs taking into consideration 4000 INR/10,000 kms for maintenance.
I heard the Engine oil for Liva is close to 1500 while Dzire it is 4000 INR.

[amalji]

Originally Posted by mayanktyagi2000

Hi Amalji,
Wondering what is the life expectancy of Liva D, Can I expect 2 Lakh kms over 3 yrs taking into consideration 4000 INR/10,000 kms for maintenance.
I heard the Engine oil for Liva is close to 1500 while Dzire it is 4000 INR.

I've seen service history of Liva GD that has covered 2,25,000 kms on the odo. It's damn cheap to maintain and is hassle free. If it's for taxi usage, go for it with your eyes closed. You will never regret that decision.

The only recommendations would be to opt for the Etios instead of a Liva because of its plusher ride and boot space which will suit the practicality aspect which is very much needed in a taxi segment. Toyota recommends mineral oil whereas Maruti recommends Fully synthetic oil ( even though you can opt for a mineral oil if needed ). That's the reason for the cost difference. Even if you use the same engine oil on both the cars, the maintenance cost will still be cheaper on a Liva due to the following reasons.

• Long replacement intervals for parts
• Durability of mechanicals. Having used 3 Marutis before purchasing the Etios, I know the kind of impact that this car has gone through in the last 65,000 kms. Still, the number of mechanical complaints in the 3 years of ownership has been an absolute zero!

[digitalsuresh]

Dear Friends,

Does adding after market fog lamp kit for my Liva GD will void warranty?

Regards,
suresh

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by digitalsuresh

Dear Friends,

Does adding after market fog lamp kit for my Liva GD will void warranty?

Regards,
suresh

Yes, it will, that is why, for three years I have driven with very poor quality headlamps. Now that warranty is over.... the possibilities are endless.

[digitalsuresh]

Thanks,

What if we do in service center? They are quoting whopping 5K for fog lamp kit.

Suresh

[driving_smartly]

Originally Posted by digitalsuresh

Thanks,

What if we do in service center? They are quoting whopping 5K for fog lamp kit.

Suresh

It does not void warranty if you get fog lamps installed from service center.

I got fog lamps installed from the dealer for my Liva in Nov 2013 before taking the delivery, the price was around Rs 4.2K.

[digitalsuresh]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Yes, it will, that is why, for three years I have driven with very poor quality headlamps. Now that warranty is over.... the possibilities are endless.

Originally Posted by driving_smartly

It does not void warranty if you get fog lamps installed from service center.

I got fog lamps installed from the dealer for my Liva in Nov 2013 before taking the delivery, the price was around Rs 4.2K.

That justifies the premium.

Thanks,
Suresh

[coolmel]

Just got the second free service done at Millennium Toyota, Andheri west. Costed me approximately 1800 bucks here. Usual oil change, washer liquid top up and wheel rotation. They fixed the audio system which was not switching on, for free & a tak-tak-tak noise that the brake liners were making. Plus I bought 2 extra washer fluids from them and got one Toyota Injector cleaner as well for 1600 Rupees. The smiles package looked promising but delayed it until next time.

Am living with the Liva for nearly a year now, and although I still hate the instrument cluster, the doors which don't close shut at first shot, the NVH levels, the impractical rear seats(don't fold flat) etc. But what I like about it is the gem of an engine which has excellent city drivability, the brilliant air-con, the flat ride and the cheap service and spares. Also loved the fact that the Toyota people don't go out of their league to sell something to you, unlike most other dealers I've faced until now.

One more thing that caught my interest was a calender like thing you will see at their desks which shows the per km ownership of all Toyotas. Right from the Etios to the premium Prius and other cars the figure stayed in the range of 0.3-0.7 Rs/km! Plus the long spare change intervals won me over. This was a pleasant discovery and something I've been looking out for my personal vehicle. No wonder Toyota is the king of the game even now.

With the Jazz coming in and something that I've been keen on buying for years now, these Toyota factors have won me over and getting a Honda again will be a tough decision. Time will tell!

Originally Posted by amalji

I've seen service history of Liva GD that has covered 2,25,000 kms on the odo. It's damn cheap to maintain and is hassle free. If it's for taxi usage, go for it with your eyes closed. You will never regret that decision.

The only recommendations would be to opt for the Etios instead of a Liva because of its plusher ride and boot space which will suit the practicality aspect which is very much needed in a taxi segment. Toyota recommends mineral oil whereas Maruti recommends Fully synthetic oil ( even though you can opt for a mineral oil if needed ). That's the reason for the cost difference. Even if you use the same engine oil on both the cars, the maintenance cost will still be cheaper on a Liva due to the following reasons.

• Long replacement intervals for parts
• Durability of mechanicals. Having used 3 Marutis before purchasing the Etios, I know the kind of impact that this car has gone through in the last 65,000 kms. Still, the number of mechanical complaints in the 3 years of ownership has been an absolute zero!

Sar isn't the ride quality the same? I've not noticed any visible differences in them. I guess Etios' is better because of its added weight. Apart from that everything else is ditto.

[amalji]

Originally Posted by coolmel

Sar isn't the ride quality the same? I've not noticed any visible differences in them. I guess Etios' is better because of its added weight. Apart from that everything else is ditto.

Having used both of them extensively, I can certainly say that ride quality is different.

The pitching motion is very much reduced on the Etios when travelling at high speeds through non-rubberised roads . the reason being the longer wheel base.

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by amalji

Having used both of them extensively, I can certainly say that ride quality is different.

The pitching motion is very much reduced on the Etios when travelling at high speeds through non-rubberised roads . the reason being the longer wheel base.

Aha! But its too detailed for a common man to notice. I'd rather compare Liva's ride quality versus the competition.

[kavensri]

I am having an issue with the wiper speed in my Liva. Even at level 1, it operates at level 2 speed. When checked with the service center (Nandi Toyota, Bananswadi), I was told that the motor might have gone and if that is the case, then it needs to be replaced (cannot be repaired).
Does anyone faced this kind of issue, in any of the car? Any suggestions on how to repair this, because new motor costs around 8k.

[arnabchak]

Originally Posted by kavensri

I am having an issue with the wiper speed in my Liva. Even at level 1, it operates at level 2 speed. When checked with the service center (Nandi Toyota, Bananswadi), I was told that the motor might have gone and if that is the case, then it needs to be replaced (cannot be repaired).
Does anyone faced this kind of issue, in any of the car? Any suggestions on how to repair this, because new motor costs around 8k.

Did you check with the fuses?

I had this issue once in my Fiat Uno and it was traced to a Rs. 5/- fuse gone kaput.