[mmxylorider]

Originally Posted by straight6

I hope you know that 2 strokes engines are not meant to be ridden with throttle open for very long periods. Engine will not last too long.

can you elaborate on this? When you say throttle open, does it mean wide open to reach max speed?

Secondly how would this impact a scooty (the other 2stroke vehicle I have which does not have a separate oil tank/pump setup)

[straight6]

Originally Posted by mmxylorider

can you elaborate on this? When you say throttle open, does it mean wide open to reach max speed?

Secondly how would this impact a scooty (the other 2stroke vehicle I have which does not have a separate oil tank/pump setup)

Not just to increase speed but even when riding generally. The exhaust port heats up too much in 2 strokes. I'll find the article I was reading. Even my mech told me the same thing.

It will affect the scooty's too.

[2StrokeJunkie]

Originally Posted by straight6

I hope you know that 2 strokes engines are not meant to be ridden with throttle open for very long periods. Engine will not last too long.

If u say so . So according to u and your mechanic if u keep the throttle open how long will the engine last ? I did not say keep ur throttle at WOT throughout . LOL . Fuel has a role to play is cooling the motor and in case of premix - fuel + oil is needed to cool and lubricate the motor. If u shut the throttle completely on a premix motor for extended periods of time or at high RPMs , you will shut off the flow of oil to ur motor as well which isnt good for it IMO. But hey its your bike you are free do what u like with it.

@ Raccoon . Keeping the throttle a crack open is something most average motorcyclist are adept at doing. Especially two strokers and those who are fans of "Zero Idling". I am not here to convince u guys that premix is better and safer for your motor though i must say that no serious 2 stroke motor in the competitive arena depends on the oil pump for lubrication in the most trying of conditions . Food for thought. Plus the fact that I have suffered a lubrication failure on my RD350 due to the oil pump cable snapping off made me realize how stupid it is to be completely dependent on an Oil Pump that is more than 20 years old for lubrication whose failure can result in the compete loss of your motor and money lost on the rebuild not to mention the pain and guilt that ones feels after knowing the difference between taking the oil pump for granted or being sure and using premix. Id rather be safe than sorry.

[straight6]

Originally Posted by 2StrokeJunkie

But hey its your bike you are free do what u like with it.

Ok, you're the wise guy.

[Raccoon]

Originally Posted by 2StrokeJunkie

If u say so . So according to u and your mechanic if u keep the throttle open how long will the engine last ? I did not say keep ur throttle at WOT throughout . LOL . Fuel has a role to play is cooling the motor and in case of premix - fuel + oil is needed to cool and lubricate the motor. If u shut the throttle completely on a premix motor for extended periods of time or at high RPMs , you will shut off the flow of oil to ur motor as well which isnt good for it IMO. But hey its your bike you are free do what u like with it.

@ Raccoon . Keeping the throttle a crack open is something most average motorcyclist are adept at doing. Especially two strokers and those who are fans of "Zero Idling". I am not here to convince u guys that premix is better and safer for your motor though i must say that no serious 2 stroke motor in the competitive arena depends on the oil pump for lubrication in the most trying of conditions . Food for thought. Plus the fact that I have suffered a lubrication failure on my RD350 due to the oil pump cable snapping off made me realize how stupid it is to be completely dependent on an Oil Pump that is more than 20 years old for lubrication whose failure can result in the compete loss of your motor and money lost on the rebuild not to mention the pain and guilt that ones feels after knowing the difference between taking the oil pump for granted or being sure and using premix. Id rather be safe than sorry.

Well, its pretty simple actually - advantages of pump are no oil starvation in any condition, less pollution, cleaner engine and exhaust, more efficient burn, optimal power in all situations (due to optimal oil-fuel ratio), saves money, no hassle of carrying oil and filling at bunks (not applicable to those who fill low grade or even adulterated bunk oil).

And what are the advantages of pre-mix? The ONLY advantage is that you are saved from total lube failure. Further disadvantages are gasoline+oil mix has pretty short life, oil can separate and result in oil starvation and that is in addition to starvation while cruising.

Further, pump failures were/are rare.. .esp. in jap bikes. Often failures are a result of carelessness/stupidity of the user or mechanic. If you have doubts about reliability of cables, etc., you can consider replacing them every few years, depending on use. But then of course nobody can guarantee anything.

Further, what they do for track/race bikes does not help street bikes much. Conditions and requirements are very different. It may not be important for bikes used for such purposes to last for long. Winning just one race may be the only requirement. Will that do for most of us here?

So users can make their own choice.

[gunnerbala]

Finally,, after all this talk by Bike Pundits, I've managed to get completely confused and feeling like a lost cow!!
I've been owning an RX 135 (5-speed) for 11years now. Last month, I had to change its pistons. Question is, what 2-T oil do I use after the first 1k? And I think its time for me to change my engine oil. What grade and which oil do I go for? Please try and understand,, theres an Idiot who has to do this, so be simple if possible! (No offence meant to anyone)

[riteshpawar]

Put Servo 20w 40, else Castrol GTX. It's a better oil than the rest in the market especially for longer oil rehauls.

[straight6]

Originally Posted by gunnerbala

Finally,, after all this talk by Bike Pundits, I've managed to get completely confused and feeling like a lost cow!!
I've been owning an RX 135 (5-speed) for 11years now. Last month, I had to change its pistons. Question is, what 2-T oil do I use after the first 1k? And I think its time for me to change my engine oil. What grade and which oil do I go for? Please try and understand,, theres an Idiot who has to do this, so be simple if possible! (No offence meant to anyone)

If your bike is stock just got with something like MAK which you can get easily at any pump.

Originally Posted by riteshpawar

Put Servo 20w 40, else Castrol GTX. It's a better oil than the rest in the market especially for longer oil rehauls.

I would recommend Petronas Sprinta 2000 or the Motul 5100 (its expensive but superb).

[riteshpawar]

Servo 4T is the best .. check the advt. on the team bhp home page ... they are perfect for most jap bikes also for the Bullet

[Ajaybiz]

I am using Motul V800 fully synthetic 15W50 gear box costs over 850 Rs per litre in my RD's and fully synthetic 2T costs 725 Rs per litre as a premix, both are quite costly but cant compromise the quality for these rare bikes.
Will be switching rest of bikes to Motul soon.

[Raccoon]

Seems like this thread is almost dead!! :(

I finally got down to using my can of Motul 510 in my Shogun just couple of months ago. Took so long as my gun's running is pretty low and somehow it drinks very li'l oil.

I let it run till the MIN mark on the Castrol Jet X. Just did not have the time or inclination to drain out the remaining castrol and dunked in the Motul uptil half the tank or so.

The result literally carried me away! Super awesome oil dudes. It just blows away every other, lesser oil I'v tried into oblivion. My gun feels like a very different animal now! And its still running a mixture of Jet X and Motul. Wondering what it will feel like when there is only Motul in the tank.

Those who are still stuck with the likes of anything from crappy MAK to Castrol or Shell should really try this one. You won't go back to that gooo.

What I'm apprehensive about is the future availability of this oil. Unless it finds at least a few takers, Motul wont import more batches. :(

[gunnerbala]

Originally Posted by Raccoon

Seems like this thread is almost dead!! :(
What I'm apprehensive about is the future availability of this oil. Unless it finds at least a few takers, Motul wont import more batches. :(

Greetings!
Well I'm looking for the same oil, but cant find it ANYWHERE in Nashik. Where did you source it from and what are the damages on your wallet? I'm really interested, so please do let me know.
Regards,
Gunner

[Raccoon]

Originally Posted by gunnerbala

Greetings!
Well I'm looking for the same oil, but cant find it ANYWHERE in Nashik. Where did you source it from and what are the damages on your wallet? I'm really interested, so please do let me know.
Regards,
Gunner

Dude, everything has been discussed in this forum months ago. If you just sift thru earlier posts. In short, there is next to zero chance you will find it in any shop. You need to contact Motul directly and you need to persevere. Try with their Area Manager or something and move higher up if you don't succeed.

Most important thing is you need to generate some volume for them. The more bottles you ask for, the better and faster your chances.

Let me know if you are stuck somewhere, will try to help.

[straight6]

I just picked up the last 3 liters of the 510. I've asked them to source 710 for me. Lets see if they can get it.

[Raccoon]

Originally Posted by gunnerbala

Greetings!
Well I'm looking for the same oil, but cant find it ANYWHERE in Nashik. Where did you source it from and what are the damages on your wallet? I'm really interested, so please do let me know.
Regards,
Gunner

Any progress dude?

Originally Posted by straight6

I just picked up the last 3 liters of the 510. I've asked them to source 710 for me. Lets see if they can get it.

Highly unlikely. But do let us know their response. Anyway, have they given you the price?