All about Two stroke (2T) oils

Raccoon · 25th May 2009, 00:53

^^^One was the Marketing Manager. Can't recall the designation of the other.

Actually, it seems they don't have issues about importing any Motul product as long as it has a decent demand. They can't import just 1 or 2 crates. Since 710 is fully synth I think it will be priced around where the current fully synth is (can't recall the name). And personally, I don't want to spend so much. If you are intrested and can create sufficient demand, you could speak to them. They sound very responsive. But how much demand do you think you can create for such an expensive oil?

Hopefully the 510 will be priced close to the semi synthetics in the market and should be better than any other 2t oil currently in the market (excluding the fully synth Motul of course). And that will work for me.

Unless you are really pushing your bike in races in hot weather, I really don't see the point in spending so much for a fully synthetic. Not sure if it will even have any additional benifit if you do.

straight6 · 25th May 2009, 04:11

The 2 oil that Motul sells here is the Motomix and the 800 which is their most expensive 2T oil at 750 per litre. I'm sure that the 710 would be a little cheaper than the 800. So, it makes more sense to import the 710 than the 800.

The 510 will be a good addtion to their line up. They have close to 10 different 2T oils abroad in their line up.

praJEEP · 26th May 2009, 11:24

Finally got hold of petronas used 140ml till now bike is running butter smooth now, at high revs i hear only the rdd filter's sound engine sound is nill its silent than my cbz extreme.

2StrokeJunkie · 26th May 2009, 17:47

Why do people keep refering to UNI filters as RDD or Chinoy filters ??!!! Were they desoigned or manufactured by rdd ?! Or are they just one of the many people that sell that ? Next thing u know all the tuners and biking groups will start naming filters , pistons , con rods , carbs after themselves !

straight6 · 27th May 2009, 03:30

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Originally Posted by praJEEP

Finally got hold of petronas used 140ml till now bike is running butter smooth now, at high revs i hear only the rdd filter's sound engine sound is nill its silent than my cbz extreme.

I haven't had this kind of result because the bike still needs some tuning and a bigger jet. Will check after that.

2StrokeJunkie · 27th May 2009, 18:28

prajeep u sure ur riding a 2 stroke ? does the addition of petronas eliminate ur exhaust note ? cool then all petronas user can use chambers and not fear being busted by cops for excessive noise .

straight6 · 5th July 2009, 15:42

I got 1606 kms with the Petronas oil. There was still some left when I topped up. I would have got around 50 kms more.

I have just changed the primary gear so might get less this time. My bike for some reason had a primary gear from the 100.

Raccoon · 16th July 2009, 01:56

Had been to the Gulf dealer yesterday. Saw a new bottle of their Gulf Pride 2 stroke oil. It said its semi synthetic and something about how it helps acceleration in a big way, etc. I forgot to take a pic. One litre bottle was Rs. 130, if I recall correct. This is a new bottle and probably a new formulation as the previous bottles I saw there were quite different.

Has anybody tried this? I'm pretty tempted to try it next as there is no sign of Motul 510 . :(

If anybody from Pune wants it, its available in the auto shop with a big Exide board opp. Karishma Apartments in Kothrud.

straight6 · 18th July 2009, 05:06

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Originally Posted by Raccoon

Had been to the Gulf dealer yesterday. Saw a new bottle of their Gulf Pride 2 stroke oil. It said its semi synthetic and something about how it helps acceleration in a big way, etc. I forgot to take a pic. One litre bottle was Rs. 130, if I recall correct. This is a new bottle and probably a new formulation as the previous bottles I saw there were quite different.

Has anybody tried this? I'm pretty tempted to try it next as there is no sign of Motul 510 . :(

If anybody from Pune wants it, its available in the auto shop with a big Exide board opp. Karishma Apartments in Kothrud.

130 is cheap for semi synthetic!

I have no hopes of seeing the Motul 510 here.

Raccoon · 18th July 2009, 15:02

Sorry, had a look at the bottles again. Its old stock made in 2006. It looked totally new, so was misled...

Btw, Gulf 2 stroke oil is available in sachets, in case someone here buys sachets for pre-mix.

Well, Motul did tell me that they will import 510. But no sign of it yet, and now they aren't even replying to my emails.

They did send me a catalogue of all their products though. Pretty cool... but I wonder how many items will be made available in India.

The Shell bunk guys at Mulshi also said they will order a carton of VSX2. No sign of that either!

Everyone says there is hardly any demand for 2t oil. Hence they don't have incentive to stock/order it. And whatever small demand is there seems to be met by crap Castrol and MAK mostly... sigh!

My oil level has now reached the critical point. Will have to buy something very soon. And I don't see an option other than buying Jet X again. Aaarghhhh!

straight6 · 18th July 2009, 15:31

Buy The Petronas 4000 semi synthetic. Its cheaper and just as good. I don't like the idea of paying Castrol that much.

2StrokeJunkie · 18th July 2009, 18:13

look around u should get the shell in bombay . Their main office is supposed to be in Vashi New Bombay .

Raccoon · 18th July 2009, 18:26

Straight, not getting Petronas 2t anywhere either. The sales guy did say he could supply only one bottle of the fully synth... but it was pretty old stock. Even if i use that, I feel the chances of getting it again will be low...

2Strokejunkie, I'm in Poona not Bombay. Can't come there for a bottle of oil. :(

straight6 · 19th July 2009, 05:42

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Originally Posted by Raccoon

Straight, not getting Petronas 2t anywhere either. The sales guy did say he could supply only one bottle of the fully synth... but it was pretty old stock. Even if i use that, I feel the chances of getting it again will be low..

The Petronas I use is from '07. Its not medicine so relax. If oil is kept the way its supposed to then it has a very long shelf life.

Raccoon · 19th July 2009, 16:48

Generally, shelf life is said to be around 4 years. But somehow I don't feel safe using an oil over a year old. Its pretty complex molecules we are talking of. Who knows at what rate a specific brand will start decomposing...

Also, you can end up with an older specification.

Anyway, its Sunday, so nothing in available. Lets see what I can get next week.

Whats your take on Petronas 5000... now that you must have used it quite a bit?

25th May 2009, 00:53	#166
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	^^^One was the Marketing Manager. Can't recall the designation of the other. Actually, it seems they don't have issues about importing any Motul product as long as it has a decent demand. They can't import just 1 or 2 crates. Since 710 is fully synth I think it will be priced around where the current fully synth is (can't recall the name). And personally, I don't want to spend so much. If you are intrested and can create sufficient demand, you could speak to them. They sound very responsive. But how much demand do you think you can create for such an expensive oil? Hopefully the 510 will be priced close to the semi synthetics in the market and should be better than any other 2t oil currently in the market (excluding the fully synth Motul of course). And that will work for me. Unless you are really pushing your bike in races in hot weather, I really don't see the point in spending so much for a fully synthetic. Not sure if it will even have any additional benifit if you do.
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25th May 2009, 04:11	#167
straight6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,549 Thanked: 300 Times	The 2 oil that Motul sells here is the Motomix and the 800 which is their most expensive 2T oil at 750 per litre. I'm sure that the 710 would be a little cheaper than the 800. So, it makes more sense to import the 710 than the 800. The 510 will be a good addtion to their line up. They have close to 10 different 2T oils abroad in their line up.
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26th May 2009, 11:24	#168
praJEEP BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 537 Thanked: 10 Times	Finally got hold of petronas used 140ml till now bike is running butter smooth now, at high revs i hear only the rdd filter's sound engine sound is nill its silent than my cbz extreme.
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26th May 2009, 17:47	#169
2StrokeJunkie BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wakanda Posts: 318 Thanked: 348 Times View My Garage	Why do people keep refering to UNI filters as RDD or Chinoy filters ??!!! Were they desoigned or manufactured by rdd ?! Or are they just one of the many people that sell that ? Next thing u know all the tuners and biking groups will start naming filters , pistons , con rods , carbs after themselves ! Last edited by 2StrokeJunkie : 26th May 2009 at 17:49.
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27th May 2009, 18:28	#171
2StrokeJunkie BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wakanda Posts: 318 Thanked: 348 Times View My Garage	prajeep u sure ur riding a 2 stroke ? does the addition of petronas eliminate ur exhaust note ? cool then all petronas user can use chambers and not fear being busted by cops for excessive noise .
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5th July 2009, 15:42	#172
straight6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,549 Thanked: 300 Times	I got 1606 kms with the Petronas oil. There was still some left when I topped up. I would have got around 50 kms more. I have just changed the primary gear so might get less this time. My bike for some reason had a primary gear from the 100.
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16th July 2009, 01:56	#173
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Had been to the Gulf dealer yesterday. Saw a new bottle of their Gulf Pride 2 stroke oil. It said its semi synthetic and something about how it helps acceleration in a big way, etc. I forgot to take a pic. One litre bottle was Rs. 130, if I recall correct. This is a new bottle and probably a new formulation as the previous bottles I saw there were quite different. Has anybody tried this? I'm pretty tempted to try it next as there is no sign of Motul 510 . :( If anybody from Pune wants it, its available in the auto shop with a big Exide board opp. Karishma Apartments in Kothrud.
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18th July 2009, 15:02	#175
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Sorry, had a look at the bottles again. Its old stock made in 2006. It looked totally new, so was misled... Btw, Gulf 2 stroke oil is available in sachets, in case someone here buys sachets for pre-mix. Well, Motul did tell me that they will import 510. But no sign of it yet, and now they aren't even replying to my emails. They did send me a catalogue of all their products though. Pretty cool... but I wonder how many items will be made available in India. The Shell bunk guys at Mulshi also said they will order a carton of VSX2. No sign of that either! Everyone says there is hardly any demand for 2t oil. Hence they don't have incentive to stock/order it. And whatever small demand is there seems to be met by crap Castrol and MAK mostly... sigh! My oil level has now reached the critical point. Will have to buy something very soon. And I don't see an option other than buying Jet X again. Aaarghhhh! Last edited by Raccoon : 18th July 2009 at 15:06.
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18th July 2009, 15:31	#176
straight6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,549 Thanked: 300 Times	Buy The Petronas 4000 semi synthetic. Its cheaper and just as good. I don't like the idea of paying Castrol that much.
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18th July 2009, 18:13	#177
2StrokeJunkie BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wakanda Posts: 318 Thanked: 348 Times View My Garage	look around u should get the shell in bombay . Their main office is supposed to be in Vashi New Bombay .
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18th July 2009, 18:26	#178
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Straight, not getting Petronas 2t anywhere either. The sales guy did say he could supply only one bottle of the fully synth... but it was pretty old stock. Even if i use that, I feel the chances of getting it again will be low... 2Strokejunkie, I'm in Poona not Bombay. Can't come there for a bottle of oil. :(
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19th July 2009, 16:48	#180
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Generally, shelf life is said to be around 4 years. But somehow I don't feel safe using an oil over a year old. Its pretty complex molecules we are talking of. Who knows at what rate a specific brand will start decomposing... Also, you can end up with an older specification. Anyway, its Sunday, so nothing in available. Lets see what I can get next week. Whats your take on Petronas 5000... now that you must have used it quite a bit?
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