[Technocrat]

Congrats V&V on your purchase

Phamilyman: you from BN & xBHp ?? Btw lets not take Arn's bike I know what kind of running & gadgets that bike has & not to mention the endurnace tests that he does

[ScarySkulls]

Originally Posted by phamilyman

In which case, you would be aware of the kinda issues he has himself faced with tensioner, and varying life of clutch, disk pads.

yes.
Zma has only two issues that I know of. Rear brake light bulb fusing on low battery usage. And tensioner giving away.
Mine gave away at 10k mark. Doc has also been facing this problem. But I think all is set now since we both have the new improved versions of the tensioners (they have a white dot to distinguish with the old ones)

Originally Posted by phamilyman

are you overcharged from xbhp? If on BN, you can check out capt chitnis' p220 reports!

Nope. I'm not. I use the same ID everywhere. But overcharged is a dear friend since he's from my city only and a part of our riding group.
I was a regular at xBhp long back. From the days of bp.com

Yes, will check out BN soon.

Originally Posted by phamilyman

anywys, how's your alto FE doing? any improvements?

Crap. Zma gives me consistent 32-33 in city no matter how much you rape it. Alto never goes above 12 no matter how sedate you are.

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Btw lets not take Arn's bike I know what kind of running & gadgets that bike has & not to mention the endurnace tests that he does

Well said. Little secret info -> Techno is one of the few guys I do respect.

[Technocrat]

Well there are more issues like the silencer screws falling off & weird cold start issue(ZMA takes quite some time to come to normal running temperature)

Little secret info -> Techno is one of the few guys I do respect.

That sure was a secret, I am speechless I miss the good ol days

Btw try a K&N replacement for the alto (I have it on mine) it does help(I am not sure if you already have it or not)

[ScarySkulls]

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Well there are more issues like the silencer screws falling off & weird cold start issue(ZMA takes quite some time to come to normal running temperature)

Ah yes. The silencer screw falling off. Had that problem in the start.Tightened then with an allen key few months after my purchase and the next 2 years have been trouble free, touch wood.

Originally Posted by Technocrat

That sure was a secret, I am speechless I miss the good ol days

Absolutely Techno. I miss those good old days and my friends from xBhp, when I used to browse there.

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Btw try a K&N replacement for the alto (I have it on mine) it does help(I am not sure if you already have it or not)

I'm not sure how that'll help, but will borrow one and see if there is any difference.

[prince_pervez]

One more significant factor can be exchange offers.
I Enquired for P220 in exchange for my existing P180 DTSI (2004).
The guy Quoted 27K for my old one.
This way I can get the P200/P220 in 60K/65K approx.
Not sure if HH has such offers.

[Technocrat]

You will be surprised to read this:

My 180 DTSI V1 got sold for 25k after 2.5 years of ownership, thanks to the constant upgrades resale is really bad

My ZMA got sold for 52k after 2 years of ownership. I sold it in the same showroom from where I had bought it.

Hopefully this will not happen with the P200/P220 as long as there are no major upgrades.

[phamilyman]

@Techno: Jes Jes. And yes, you know me you bugger p150 rider

But mind you, resale value is varying across cities. In open market in amdavad, a zma 1 year old but 1.5k on odo (the guy just used to go on dates!!) went for <60k. A bike your bike's age would've gotten 38k, last I recall. The demand varies - but yes, pulsar's resale is an issue (that was the first thing which came to my mind when I read ajmat's article) - but its okay - mine was itself quite a bargain!

@Scary: I joined xbhp in the last of the good ole days, aug 04.

Like I mentioned once, mom's Alto has now started returning 14.x-15+ FE consistently. The only thing has been to switch off the AC completely - this even includes 120+ jaunts at the expressway by yours truly. Have you tried a full assessment without ac?

[five46]

Wanna get lost in a crowd, or stand Out!!!
ZMA is my suggestion!

[kailashnj]

Hi Everyone,

I think the ZMA is the best buy. I have a Pulsar 220 and have faced with lot of problems. If anyone wants to buy my used Pulsar 220 I am ready to sell it off. I have bought the bike on 10th July 2007 and have done 2700 km only. Its available for sale for 80k anyone interested ????

Regards,
Kailash

[ScarySkulls]

Originally Posted by prince_pervez

Not sure if HH has such offers.

I dont think the company gives such offers. It's only the dealers/their association that give consumers these conveniences.
E.g. The HH dealer will gladly exchange any other HH bike whatever age or condition for a new HH bike.
The dealer here is very efficient. I think Doc Arnob will testify that too. He's a famous man down at the dealership/service centre here.

Originally Posted by Technocrat

My 180 DTSI V1 got sold for 25k after 2.5 years of ownership, thanks to the constant upgrades resale is really bad

My ZMA got sold for 52k after 2 years of ownership. I sold it in the same showroom from where I had bought it.

Now you know why I dont like Bajaj. Atrociously low resale value. After two years of ownership, a Bajaj Pulsar 180dtsi proves to more expensive overall than a Karizma when you factor in all the money you lost in Depreciation.

Originally Posted by phamilyman

Have you tried a full assessment without ac?

Not yet. But now that winters are starting, will check soon.

Originally Posted by kailashnj

Hi Everyone,

I think the ZMA is the best buy. I have a Pulsar 220 and have faced with lot of problems. If anyone wants to buy my used Pulsar 220 I am ready to sell it off. I have bought the bike on 10th July 2007 and have done 2700 km only. Its available for sale for 80k anyone interested ????

Regards,
Kailash

I will advise you against that brother. Atleast check out resale prices for your bike. I've never seen a Bajaj hold it's value good. But in case you get good price and are serious about selling, then just Drop it like it's Hot

If selling it doesnt make much financial sense then better stick to it and make warranty your best friend.

[manish7]

Originally Posted by BunnyPunia

Bajaj never seems to learn. From issues in the p200 to issues in the wave (scoot) to the new XCD.. i donno when their products will be as trouble free as todays HH/TVS/Honda bikes.

I second that. Really hope Honda/Suzuki bring this type of bikes to Indian market soon.

Thanks for lot of useful info - I have been considering buying Avenger, despite my doubts about a Bajaj product; but now I'll need to rethink about all this.

[phamilyman]

He he, here's a review of a very well thrashed 220 (capt chitnis, BN) by Doc Arn himself (x-post from BN):

Originally Posted by Doc Arn on BN

The pluses:

Super throttle response, even at mid/low rpm. It fools you into
thinking thet you are in the correct gear even if you are not.
Instant unquestioned throttle response. Biggest plus.

Super suspension. Totally wiped out small irregularities - first
class ride. As I was riding it the first time I did not get too
aggressive in the corners, but it felt a lot more taut than the ZMA -
and this on stock rubber. My bike has far better rubber, but I feel
this bike is a lot better as a handler than the ZMA which feels a bit
mushy (softly sprung) next to it. Even after riding just 50 km, I
felt sure I could take corners a lot faster than the ZMA.

Very good brakes. As good as my bike (with better rubber, and braided
steel line). Inspires confidence in high speed scrub of speed quick
situations. Did not test the rear brake much, as I tend to use it
only to initiate braking, and lightly while braking into corners.

Lighting. The best on a stock bike yet. I'm spoilt on this issue by
my bike where the light is a terror weapon in the wrong hands ,
and even though the lights were not adjusted well on this particular
machine, they are adequate if oncoming traffic is on low beam

The fun factor.

Minuses:

Mirrors: Pathetic at all times, and downright dangerous if you are
riding slowly.

Seat: Too hard. Could do with more padding. This is an issue that can
be easily rectified, with foam. In spite of the ridiculous padding I
still did not feel small irregularities, which says volumes for the
superlative suspension.

Noise: A biggie. I could hear the engine above the wind at 100 kph.
Tiring for long trips. Nothing can be done about it either. Pity.

Vibes: As I really did not go much above 100, can't say it felt
intrusive. But they are there, and they are ANNOYING. Noise and vibes
tend to tire you out faster. Your hands start to tingle, and your
butt feels sore too. I'll come later to the fixes.

Console. Missed the clock. Analog is always easier to read, and the
trip and odometer are in very tiny figures, requiring a long hard
look, away from the road. Besides these should have been ABOVE the
speedo figure, to make it easier to read, rather than below.

Refinement: Poor, nowhere in the ballpark as compared to the ZMA. I
could feel each explosion in the cylinder while accelerating

COMPARO:

If I had no bike, would I buy it?

Probably yes. Suits my riding style (though not your's, captain).
I'd choose it over the ZMA.

Would I sell my bike for this?

No, not enough of an improvement.

FIXES:

Padding on the seat. Add more foam. More comfort, less vibes.

EVA foam patches on side of tank, where the knees contact. Reduction
in vibes.

Mirrors desperately need a spacer, at least 4"

Foam grips to eliminate vibes. will take a little getting used to,
butt will again be worth it.

Lighting if you want to install HIDs (but this can be problematic).

Fit a digital clock somewhere on the console.


CAN'T BE FIXED: Vibes, engine noise. A real pity.

Arnob

[Technocrat]

well this sums up pretty much in favour of the ZMA

Anyways to each his own.

Here is My first impression of the P220

P220-First Impressions

If you want a detailed comparo take a look at the following threads posted by me earlier

A Detailed Report on P220

P220, ZMA, Unicorn's Early Morning Ride to Lavasa(Lots of Pics)