[that_sedate_guy]

Originally Posted by Boringrider

A bold and interesting choice for the market here.

Originally Posted by Senotrius

On paper, the Cromwell 1200 seems to be the one to go for.
Also, the right side engine casing and covers seem out of place. Especially the slotted cover bit.

The 500 might indeed be dead in the water when it washes ashore. That said, the 1200 seems too good to be true. I did check out their website as well and the paper specs seem quite lovely.
Personally, I would've liked a little more of the gaps filled out in the side profile. Both pics have been sourced from the Brixton website.

This is what I mean. These gaps kind of take away from the, "Hey I'm a litre class monster" look.


Of course, I understand that the gaps cannot simply be stuffed with anything and everything. Just that when people envision big bikes, more often than not, they'll think of something that has a side profile like this instead of those "commuter bike looks"


Also, while the engine cover seems good enough IMO, the slotted cover seems to be the drive sprocket cover. In that case, it is simply done in really bad taste and makes it look like a chainsaw strapped to a motorcycle. Further, having an open type sprocket cover will only lead to more grime and muck accumulating on the sprocket and increasing the need for maintenance. Not sure what the design bros were thinking here.

[bf1983]

The Cromwell on paper looks good but honestly at such a price I'll rather pick a used Bonneville T120 instead of plonking close to 10l on a brand that can very well shut shop in India given it won't be doing any good numbers. Plus the Cromwell is such a blatant copy of the Bonneville T120 down to the engine specs that it's almost repulsive.

When Benelli came to India there was no local competition so people bought such bikes despite the problems with spares and reliability.

Now with bikes like the RS457, Interceptor, BSA Goldstar, Classic 650 and others selling at a far less price making similar power output as the Crossfire means there will be very few takers for such bikes. So the company may very well decide to shut shop in future like CF Moto which stopped all sales of their 650cc bikes and now owners have problems getting spares and service.

[amyntor]

Is there any R&D involved from Brixton's end?

It seems like they took an off the shelf Triumph 1200 clone from a Chinese manufacturer and slapped their logo on it?

https://www.gaokinmoto.com/motorcycl...otorcycle.html

Goakin Moto's website says this - The 1222cc inline dual cylinder, water-cooled, 8 valves engine independently developed and manufactured by Gaokin

[AulusGabinius]

Originally Posted by amyntor

Is there any R&D involved from Brixton's end?

It seems like they took an off the shelf Triumph 1200 clone from a Chinese manufacturer and slapped their logo on it?

https://www.gaokinmoto.com/motorcycl...otorcycle.html

Goakin Moto's website says this - The 1222cc inline dual cylinder, water-cooled, 8 valves engine independently developed and manufactured by Gaokin

The engine case in that link literally says Brixton. No further questions, your honour.

[amyntor]

Originally Posted by AulusGabinius

The engine case in that link literally says Brixton. No further questions, your honour.

Apparently, Gaokin Moto manufactures and sells them internationally under the Brixton brand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaokin

[AulusGabinius]

Originally Posted by amyntor

Apparently, Gaokin Moto manufactures and sells them internationally under the Brixton brand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaokin

Agreed, but the image on the Gaokin site has the names Brixton and Gaokin on the exact same bike. At least keep the branding consistent. Also, KSR group, who owns the Brixton name, is an importer. All R&D is done in China. They even import Royal Enfields.

[parrys]

I am on two-wheeler #9 in my life, at 35 years of age.
Fair to say, I change one often.

Would I ever consider this? NO.
I don't even want to try it.
Even if I try it, I still won't.

I own a RE INT 650, so I do have some risk taking appetite. But I know RE will stay.
Brixton, who?

[offroad]

For some reason i get a feeling this will also be like Moto Morini. I have never seen the bikes anywhere apart from team-bhp posts. With companies like Jawa and Yezdi with a huge vintage fan base are struggling to make numbers, not sure how much this can survive.

Moreover these are overpriced barring the 1200CC, could have gone for that if not for the brand. Their range starts with 125CC and also a 250CC is also there. Not sure why they landed directly with 500CC with that pricing. Also their global website has a off-roader, The Brixton Crossfire 500 STORR, looks good and spec numbers are also good. 47hp, 209kg, with so much buzz going around ADV's they could have launched this too

[Torquedo]

Had a few thoughts on the 1200, has been on my mind since the price reveal -

1) In 2025, 11 years post the Z800 launch, the power and torque are direct swaps between the two (which I love, would prefer a healthier torque and that too at an extremely low RPM), taking into account the inflation over 1+ decade, the pricing and specs are too hard to be ignored.

2) The government policy be such that no Indian major automotive manufacturer ties up the Chinese brands, at least in the 2W space, hence, the Chinese manufacturers come via a different route, in this case the Austrian way, it is indeed a Gaokin rebadged as a Brixton to reach shores across the globe, not just Indians but a slew of nations have a low key perception of Chinese products, especially in the engineering space and for expensive products.

3) The T120 is at least 4L OTR more expensive (you can slot in a GT650 there) than 1200, this in the NCR shall be less than 9 OTR, if parts be available, that takes care of an "extended" ownership. That IF is the stumbling block for any Chinese manufacturer. Triumph owners have had their share of harrowing tales as far as ASS is concerned.

4) Coming to Indian manufacturers, it took light years for RE to come up a twin and that too A2 specs, so a 750 and what not is for the next gen to experience, ain't expecting Mr. Lal to come up with an engineering Marvel, he is best with paint jobs and jacking up the prices, at 5L+ a SM 650 in unfathomable. He is milking us and milking us royally. Coming back to Indian manufacturers, can't wrap my head around as to why the local manufacturers can't come up with a simple long bore and stroke twin in the 1000+ capacity, probably, the government doesn't want us to own bigger capacity bikes at a sensible pricing and then most of 100 cc shall graduate to the 500 and 500 to the 1200, if the Chinese can, so should we be able to.

5) Rest assured the 1200 shall be sold out and post the initial lot, it shall be available on order and at a jacked up price. There is nothing wrong in copying the T120, you are getting the exact same specs and looks (swap those indicators and pipes) at 66% of the price.

6) The problems that these Chinese manufacturers have had right from the Hyosung days are, getting the right channel partner to sell and assemble their bikes (had no clue about what KAW was before Brixton came in), building trust in Indian buyers that they are here to stay for atleast a decade so that potential buyers have a belief of parts availability shall not be an issue and proper ASS.

It's the way our government protects the Indian manufacturers and keeps the Chinese bikes at bay to make a foray into the 2W space that keeps us away from owning these big machines at an affordable price.

As for the 1200, it does deserve a test ride and would love see some Motohaus dealerships comes up across the nation. Right up there in my books once something comes up in the NCR.

If this pricing does not entice us, the RE's/CL's of the world shall keep us atleast half a century behind the global motorcycling space and I'm sure the Lals, Munjals, Rahuls and Mahindras are all behind the Chinese not being successful here in India so that they can rake in all the moolah, tie ups is all they can do and then launch the 400 and 440 of the worlds, why not locally manufactured 1000/1200 is the big question.

The conclusion is, if we being well read, don't offer these manufacturers with an opportunity, we shall be driving the higher capacity bikes at insane prices, the pricing to offering ratio for the 1200 is indeed lucrative.

[Torquedo]

Forgot to add in my above post -

"THAR" moment should come in the Indian Motorcycling space, an in-house 1000-1200 cc Bonneville, Super Sport, Adv bikes at 5.5-6L would fly off the shelves, now who does it and when that happens is the big question. Who could have imagined an Indian manufacturer with 200 horses and a stick shift. We ought to be out of the mediocre 650 range, RE just can't do it but there is a big big opportunity here for someone to grab and offer litre class bikes at affordable prices, with the tie ups that we have, shouldn't be that big an ask and then we don't bother about spares and ASS.

There is a huge gap and potential in the 5-7L range that needs to be tapped.

[amyntor]

Originally Posted by offroad

Also their global website has a off-roader, The Brixton Crossfire 500 STORR, looks good and spec numbers are also good. 47hp, 209kg, with so much buzz going around ADV's they could have launched this too

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You called it!

https://www.bikewale.com/news/brixto...in-early-2025/

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by amyntor

You called it!

https://www.bikewale.com/news/brixto...in-early-2025/

With the prices of these current motorcycles, very likely that the Storr will go up directly against the NX500.

Hard proposition at that price - even the NX500 has poor sales and those who buy the Honda hardly consider other options no matter how better they are!

[amyntor]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

With the prices of these current motorcycles, very likely that the Storr will go up directly against the NX500.

Hard proposition at that price - even the NX500 has poor sales and those who buy the Honda hardly consider other options no matter how better they are!

Yep. It'll be dead on arrival if it's priced anywhere close to the NX500. It's an easy decision. An improved form of a bullet proof and proven product from Honda that's well regarded around the world vs an unoriginal offering from a no name Chinese manufacturer.