[pugram]

For most of the ocassional highway riders this makes a good case. Vibrations seem to be contained well and combined with more relaxed driving dynamics this makes a perfect city bike. No need to be aggressive since power comes lower down the RPM. Just twist and go

[jetsetgo08]

Ideal aggressive price would have been Rs.1.99L. But, the Rs.2L-2.2L space has become more interesting with a lot of 300-440cc bikes priced in the same bracket.

RE 350's, Jawa-Yezdi's, Honda 350's, Maverick and now the Triumph T4. Assuming, Royal Enfield has their own fan base, the new T4 is definitely an interesting option for someone with Rs2.5L budget and not wanting an RE.

[libranof1987]

Bajaj mentioned that the Speed 400 was originally envisaged in the form of the Speed T4, but was ultimately launched the way it was. Perhaps due to impending competition - remember how the Speed 400 and the Harley Davidson X440 were launched / showcased within a day of each other. I was at the HD event, and everyone was talking about the unbelievable price point that the Speed 400 was introduced at!

The party for the Speed 400 was undoubtedly going to end - as expected, Bajaj claims that the Speed 400's launch price was unsustainable, so it was only a matter of time that it was corrected.

Is the Speed T4 the right reaction to it though? Now, you may call it cost cutting, cost rationalisation or "who needs 40 PS anyway". Companies tend to justify such measures with the typical "the Indian market has unique characteristics" argument. Which is quite surprising given the strong sales of super bikes especially - people are happily lining up to pay whatever is being asked for.

What is potentially worrying is: Bajaj claims that Triumph may consider a T4-like approach to their global line up as well.

Originally Posted by aravind.anand

If the mileage is also an improvement over the Speed400

Bajaj claims that there is a 15% improvement in FE on the T4 compared to the Speed 400.

[ss11011988]

So, I got a chance to test ride all 3 of the 400cc offerings from Bajaj-Triumph last weekend. I went to Khivraj Triumph, Hosur Road for taking the test rides. The staff were courteous around, addressed my request really quick and promptly provided the test ride bikes. Rode the bikes in the following order along with my partner as pillion and this is what I felt:

Scrambler 400X: Felt slightly intimidating (not as much as Himalayan 450), however the ergonomics were right in place and off we went. I will be honest here on the fact that I couldn't enjoy the bike much as this particular one was heavily abused and there were telltale signs of the same. However the suspension soaked in the imperfections with ease, the engine was tractable and nice, and the line of sight was clear. I felt the initial gears were quite short as compared to the Speed 400. All went will till I had to execute a U-turn, and I faced difficulty here and I believe this is owing to the very nature of the particular platform, so not exactly a deal breaker for a good many. I believe it might get better in a month or two into ownership, however initial impressions weren't very re-assuring. My pillion mused about the high seating position as well.

Speed 400: I really liked this bike. Spot on ergonomics, nice, clean linear pull and quite sprightly, almost to the point where I felt the bike being slightly busy and pushy. May be years of riding a slow revving UCE engine had its effect on me that made me state the previous statement. It's not as pushy as say a KTM, but you will feel it at times, especially if you are coming from long strokes. My pillion was fine with the rear seat ergonomics as well, she couldn't find much to complain. Felt fine as long as I was making use of the low-mid range grunt to shift up and get onto likeable speeds, as revving the bike out also brought in vibes, which though not as bad as some old and new bikes out there will get to you at times. However, did I feel like I was riding a 40BHP bike? I guess not. Probably that's how the bike's designed, not to be snappy and unforgiving to first timers or to the level ups. Need to spend more time with the bike.

Speed T4 : Now this one was interesting. Everything felt the same till you start riding. You can immediately feel the lazy, easy-going nature of the bike. You can also feel the higher inertia crank at work. It felt easier to get accustomed to, compared to the Speed 400, and the lack of 9BHP was never felt thanks to the torque wave coming in early. Which means you could easily cruise in lower rpm in higher gears, with fewer gear shifts, which means commuting will be a relaxed affair. I felt this to be a better proposition for those are looking out to buy, say a Hunter 350 or Meteor 350 for that matter. However, if I were to choose between the Speed and the T4, I would definitely go for the former considering the fantastic package that is, and the amount of goodies the latter loses for not so much of a price difference. And also because power corrupts, and power corrupts absolutely

Cheers,
NI

PS : Opinions are personal, and you are most welcome to disagree with me.

[100Kmphormore]

The cons in the opening post themselves paint the bike into a corner (well written!). I have ridden the Speed 400 and find it extremely hard to satisfy me mind to accept I am paying this much for something that looks like, and not the real deal which is waiting around 34k more ex showroom. The Speed 400 already feels dull to ride but does the speeds it should except for some vibrations around the 6000 rpm mark, will be even more dull.

I would like to meet the hare-brained soul who suggested a speedo where the tacho should have been, even for the Speed 400. The Daytona and street triple 675s are famous for their lovely looking tachometer after that lovely inline 3.

[TheTourer23]

Seems new colors are out for the T4, they look really classy!

[ss11011988]

Originally Posted by TheTourer23

Seems new colors are out for the T4, they look really classy!

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The new shades look very nice and with the revised prices, I believe this almost makes up for a near perfect bike to upgrade to when compared to the 350cc offerings from other RE, Jawa or Honda for that matter.

Has anyone in the TeamBHP community have taken delivery of this bike?

Cheers,
NI

[jetsetgo08]

Hello folks, how is the ownership experience with the T4? How does the bike perform on highways, any heating issues faced in heavy traffic? What are the FE figures?

Thanks in advance.

[Vikram9193]

Now that the T4 looks pretty enough with the new colours, badges and the return of the polished pipes, it makes a better retro Triumph than the Speed.

It does so because it follows the Triumph playbook to a ‘T’:

- Short-stroke liquid cooled engine tuned for torque and a quasi-retro sound
- Best-in-class finishing and really pretty designs
- Great weight management

The Speed doesn’t meet the first criterion, since it is a pretty revvy engine that makes too much power - nearly as much as any other modern 400 single. The golden USD forks also look out of place compared to the Speed Twins.

Bikes like the Guzzi, W800 and Classic 350 are the more authentic counterpoint to the Triumphs - long stroke, air cooled and possessing beautiful period-accurate exhaust notes (ref. the W800 having the 360 degree crank of a 1960s BSA, Bonnie or Interceptor).

[OpenEXit]

Planning to buy one soon, mainly for city commuting. Triumph's current 18K discount is making this deal in 1,99,900/- ex-showroom.
TD Speed 400. The excessive heat from the radiator put me off.

Any owner's feedback about heat dissipation in T4?
And city maneuvering in bumper-to-bumper traffic?

[asininite]

Originally Posted by OpenEXit

Planning to buy one soon, mainly for city commuting. Triumph's current 18K discount is making this deal in 1,99,900/- ex-showroom.
TD Speed 400. The excessive heat from the radiator put me off.

Any owner's feedback about heat dissipation in T4?
And city maneuvering in bumper-to-bumper traffic?

Heat on the Speed 400 is very manageable even in bumper-to-bumper traffic. You will feel hot air blowing on your legs, but it is never hot enough to burn. It is at best a feeling of 'ah some heat on my legs'. It is mostly a matter of adjusting to an engine that generates a good deal of power, and as you go up the horsepower ladder the bikes begin to generate even more heat.

Speed T4 runs even cooler than the Speed 400. I feel it is a case of the test-ride bike being poorly maintained and with less than optimal coolant levels as I've personally seen on a T4 test-ride bike.

[gops619]

I wish Triumph are looking into 250cc version/lineup and that the T4 is only a stop gap solution. I feel 400cc is a bit too aggressive for our cities and 250cc would strike a good balance. Just me though!

[KumarS]

Originally Posted by OpenEXit

Triumph's current 18K discount is making this deal in 1,99,900/- ex-showroom.

Is this dealership discount or Triumph's.

Here in Bangalore, there is no discount(few showroms giving discount on credit card full swipe ).

In Feb, they were throwing in few accessories and saftey gears but now , nothing.


BTW, in bangalore , the rto tax is calculated on ex. showroom price which I think is wrong but seems all dealers are quoating same price where road tax has been calculated on showroom price.

[OpenEXit]

Originally Posted by KumarS

Is this dealership discount or Triumph's.

Here in Bangalore, there is no discount(few showroms giving discount on credit card full swipe ).

In Feb, they were throwing in few accessories and saftey gears but now , nothing.


BTW, in bangalore , the rto tax is calculated on ex. showroom price which I think is wrong but seems all dealers are quoating same price where road tax has been calculated on showroom price.

Not so sure. Didn't ask. But Youtube is full on this offer. Price is 2.17L and after 18K discount, its 1.99L. You may connect with Truimph Gurgaon dealer for more information. Cashback is for ICICI cards only, upto 10k, till 31st March.

This forum also has a page for this discount:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...1-99-lakh.html (Triumph Speed T4 prices slashed; now costs Rs 1.99 lakh)

[Ratan Prabhu]

Originally Posted by gops619

I wish Triumph are looking into 250cc version/lineup and that the T4 is only a stop gap solution. I feel 400cc is a bit too aggressive for our cities and 250cc would strike a good balance. Just me though!

Why even look at CC to determine whether a motorcycle is aggressive or not ?
Triumph T4 is 400cc and Duke250 is 250cc yet both are ~30 bhp bikes with similar acceleration.
Both are great city bikes. Ignore cc. Look at power/torque figures and take a test ride.