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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

"The new electric motor features magnetized electrical coils instead of permanent magnets, which are said to be more efficient and generate higher torque"

Originally Posted by rohitoasis

I think like most of us have guessed, Ola is moving to induction motors for cost savings. They could utilize some low cost OEMs to make the induction motors. Maybe someone looking to diversify from making for electric fans.

Pardon me if my post appears non-serious and jestful, but run of the mill induction motor repair and rewinding could be done even by the local electrician thus ensuring that Ola has a quick 100% customer satisfaction!

[jawalover193]

Originally Posted by shortbread

Highlights of the new Gen 3 scooter platform:

- Integration of 4680 cells, with improvedl energy density and rapid charging abilities, enhancing range and faster charging times. The Bharat 4680 cells offers lithium-ion cell packs with five times the energy density (275 Wh/kg) compared to the current 2170 form-factor cells.

Ola’s Gen 3 platform seems like a significant step forward in the evolution of electric scooters, addressing several critical areas of performance, efficiency, and scalability. The integration of the motor and battery pack is another clever move. Using the battery as a structural component not only adds rigidity but also optimizes weight distribution—a big win for handling and efficiency. It’s also great to see an Indian company working toward reducing wiring complexity, which will undoubtedly enhance reliability and streamline production.

The new non-permanent magnet motor made entirely with locally sourced materials is a bold step toward reducing dependence on imported components. If the performance and efficiency gains hold up in real-world scenarios, it could further cement Ola’s position in the Indian EV market.

The single ECU approach is also interesting, especially with future-proofing for in-house chips and potential ADAS integration. If they manage to offer features like lane assist or adaptive cruise control in an e-scooter segment, that would be a first for this market.

[TusharK]

Ola S1 Gen-3 e-scooter to be launched on January 31

Ola Electric is all set to unveil its Gen-3 range of electric scooters on January 31. The EV maker is expected to unveil the latest iteration of the S1 along with two new models: the S2 and S3.



The all-new Gen 3 platform is scalable and incorporates the battery, motor and electronics into a single unit. This setup is said to deliver 26% better performance and a 22.5% reduction in costs compared to the previous architecture.

The Gen 3 battery consists of 4,680 cells that are larger in diameter and have a 10% higher energy density. Ola has also improved the shock resistance and thermal efficiency of the batteries.

The Gen 3 platform also comes with a new electric motor. It features magnetized electrical coils instead of permanent magnets, which are said to be more efficient and generate higher torque. Peak power and torque would be around 15 kW and 70 Nm.

The new Ola S2 is likely to be offered in three variants: City, Tourer and Sports. The S3 is touted to be a premium maxi-scooter. It will be offered in two variants: Grand Adventure and Grand Tourer.

Link to Team-BHP News

[volkman10]

Ola launches Gen 3 e-scooters with up to 320 km range.

Prices start at Rs 79,999 for the base S1 X and go up to Rs 1.70 lakh for the top S1 Pro+.

All Gen 3 Ola products have a mid-drive motor, chain final drive
Bookings open today, deliveries begin in mid-Feb

Ola S1 X Gen 3 details
The S1 X is the most affordable Ola model and just like before it is available in 3 battery variants - 2kWh (Rs 79,999), 3kWh (Rs 89,999) and 4kWh (Rs 99,999). The Gen 3 S1 X gets rid of the hub-mounted motor and switches to a mid-drive motor just like the S1 Pro. And unlike the Gen 2 model, which used drum brakes at both ends, the Gen 3 scooter uses a disc brake at the front.
Ola has also released the specifications of the top S1 X 4kWh battery variant, which has a staggering 242km IDC range, a 7kW motor and a 123kph top speed (claimed numbers). This means that the Gen 2 S1 Pro is slower than and has less range than the Gen 3 Ola S1 X 4kWh. Ola also claims that the S1 X can manage the 0-40kph sprint in just 3 seconds.

Ola S1 X+ Gen 3 details
Above the base S1 X is the S1 X+, priced at Rs 1.08 lakh. The S1 X+ betters the S1 X in every aspect and has a 125kph top speed and a quicker time of 2.7s in the 0-40kph sprint thanks to a more powerful 11kW motor. The S1 X+ also comes with single-channel ABS, thanks to Ola’s new brake-by-wire technology, which will be available with the latest MoveOS 5 software.
The S1 X+ is available in a single 4kWh variant with a claimed 242km IDC range. Both the S1 X and S1 X+ are available with a physical key and a 4.3-inch segmented colour LCD display. Five colours are on offer on both the S1 X models - blue, red, black, grey and white.

Ola S1 Pro Gen 3 details
With the move to the Gen 3 platform, the S1 Pro is no longer Ola’s flagship, which is reserved for the new S1 Pro+. The S1 Pro is available in two battery variants - 3kWh (Rs 1.15 lakh) and 4kWh (Rs 1.35 lakh). Just like the Gen 2 S1 Pro, it has an 11kW motor but has a slightly higher 125kph top speed and can manage the 0-40kph sprint in 2.7s. The 4kWh S1 Pro has the same 242km claimed IDC range as the S1 X models.
Where the S1 Pro differs from the S1 X models is that it employs a touchscreen TFT display, no unpainted black plastic panels and has body-coloured mirrors.

Ola S1 Pro+ Gen 3 details
Coming to the top S1 Pro+ which is available in two battery variants - 4kWh (Rs 1.55 lakh) and 5.3kWh (Rs 1.70 lakh). The latter uses Ola’s own 4680 cell, which is why the company has been able to offer a battery of this capacity. And Ola claims a massive 320km claimed IDC range for this top 5.3kWh variant.
The S1 Pro+ is the most powerful Indian electric scooter with a 13kW motor and a claimed 141kph top speed. It is also the first Indian electric scooter to come with dual-channel ABS. 0-40kph takes just 2.1s and the S1 Pro+ is the only model to get rim decals as well as an aluminium pillion grab rail.

One must note that these prices are introductory and are valid only for the next seven days.

Alongside the Gen 3 scooter models, Ola will also be selling its Gen 2 products.


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[FlankerFury]

ABS is a good addition, hope the competition starts providing it too.

Although I hope the brake-by-wire tech has been tested thoroughly, Ola's history of reliability issues and electronic glitches doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

[Senotrius]

Excellent specs 'on paper'. Now, back to reliability and after sales. I hope the Chetak picks up on these specs for the next year model.

[Sentau]

So the Gen3 S1 pro has the same capacity battery and same power motor as the Gen2 model yet somehow it has 33% higher IDC range. Does OLA think we are idiots?

[ajay0612]

Originally Posted by Sentau

So the Gen3 S1 pro has the same capacity battery and same power motor as the Gen2 model yet somehow it has 33% higher IDC range. Does OLA think we are idiots?

20% more efficient motor, 15% brake-by -wire contribution.

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by Sentau

So the Gen3 S1 pro has the same capacity battery and same power motor as the Gen2 model yet somehow it has 33% higher IDC range. Does OLA think we are idiots?

They have a all new motor and MCU integrated into one package. They also have brake by wire in tandem with mechanical brakes.
So now when you press the brakes, regen slows it down and only then will the mechanical brakes kick in, as you squeeze the brakes more. Ola says this can give as much as 15% additional range compared to older platform.

This is similar to some BEV that does regen during initial brake pedal travel to slow the car down. While most if not all ICE converted EV do not use regen during pedal braking but rather only do it when you lift of the throttle.

[Sentau]

Originally Posted by DIY410

They have a all new motor and MCU integrated into one package. They also have brake by wire in tandem with mechanical brakes.
So now when you press the brakes, regen slows it down and only then will the mechanical brakes kick in, as you squeeze the brakes more. Ola says this can give as much as 15% additional range compared to older platform.

This is similar to some BEV that does regen during initial brake pedal travel to slow the car down. While most if not all ICE converted EV do not use regen during pedal braking but rather only do it when you lift of the throttle.

So blended braking like in a Car. That's very cool and all but that shouldn't affect the IDC range by much because the IDC cycle doesnt have much braking.

Somehow I also have doubts to whether having the motor and MCU in a single package actually leads to appreciable efficiency gains - BYD does the same thing but it has no efficiency advantage over its rivals. On top of that, OLA is moving from using a permanent magnet motor to an Induction motor which are fundamentally less efficient.

These numbers from OLA seem to fly against what we know from fundamental mechanics and real world experience so I am looking at these numbers with some skepticism. Somebody please correct me if I have made some errors in my assessment.

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by Sentau

So blended braking like in a Car. That's very cool and all but that shouldn't affect the IDC range by much because the IDC cycle doesnt have much braking.

Only BE6 and XEV9 have them under 25 lakhs. All other EV including windsor do not have them.
They said the extra 15% is on top of the IDC range.

Originally Posted by Sentau

Somehow I also have doubts to whether having the motor and MCU in a single package actually leads to appreciable efficiency gains - BYD does the same thing but it has no efficiency advantage over its rivals. On top of that, OLA is moving from using a permanent magnet motor to an Induction motor which are fundamentally less efficient.

BYD, Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, Geely and many more do it. You decrease the resistance and inductance. It also shields the EMI from the long cables that go to the MCU. The cast aluminum casing will shield it.

Also the OLA Gen3 motor from the pictures they showed last year of the rotor, its not a Induction motor but rather a Synchronous Reluctance Motor. These have much higher energy efficiency, more power density and are much lighter than Induction motor.
If it really was a Induction motor there is no way they would have been able to lift it with one hand and the size would have been huge.

[Sentau]

Originally Posted by DIY410

Only BE6 and XEV9 have them under 25 lakhs. All other EV including windsor do not have them.

The Kona has it as well. Most EVs outside india have them as well. I think it is a great system to maximize regen. I am expecting the creta EV to have it as well.

Originally Posted by DIY410

BYD, Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, Geely and many more do it. You decrease the resistance and inductance. It also shields the EMI from the long cables that go to the MCU. The cast aluminum casing will shield it.

Yeah I understand the theoretical benefits but I don't much real world efficiency difference for the manufacturers who do this over those who don't.

Originally Posted by DIY410

Also the OLA Gen3 motor from the pictures they showed last year of the rotor, its not a Induction motor but rather a Synchronous Reluctance Motor. These have much higher energy efficiency, more power density and are much lighter than Induction motor.
If it really was a Induction motor there is no way they would have been able to lift it with one hand and the size would have been huge.

Thank you. I heard them mention no permanent magnet so I thought they went with an Induction motor but after you corrected me, I read up on Reluctance Motors. I am very hopeful now.

[volkman10]

Ola S1 X+ And Ola S1 Pro prices increased after launch.



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[DIY410]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Ola S1 X+ And Ola S1 Pro prices increased after launch.

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The prices are all wrong. Check ola website. Only S1 pro + has become more expensive, while every other S1 series product has become even cheaper than launch price.

The range topping S1 Pro + 5.3 kWh version now costs ₹ 172999.
While the 3rd Gen, S1 Pro 4 kWh now costs ₹ 119990 which is now cheaper than launch price of 134000.

[TusharK]

Ola S1 Gen 3 electric scooter deliveries commence

Ola Electric has commenced deliveries of the latest Gen 3 iteration of the S1 e-scooter.



The Ola S1 Gen 3 was launched in January this year. It comes in four variants: S1 X, S1 X+, S1 Pro and S1 Pro+, with prices starting at Rs 79,999 (ex-showroom).

Ola has made several changes to the S1 electric scooter as part of the Gen 3 updates. It gets a new brake-by-wire system with ABS, while lower variants now have a mid-drive motor.

The entry-level Ola S1 X is available with three battery options: 2 kWh, 3 kWh and 4 kWh, offering 108 km, 176 km and 242 km of range, respectively.

The new Ola S1 Pro Gen 3 is available with three battery options: 3 kWh, 4 kWh and 5.3 kWh, offering a range of 176 km, 242 km and 320 km, respectively.

The S1 Pro+ 5.3 kWh version uses a 13 kW electric motor. It is capable of sprinting from 0-40 km/h in 2.1 seconds and has a top speed of 141 km/h.

Link to Team-BHP News