[siren373]

Having owned an Ola, I'd say it's like Tata, a hit or miss. If you get a good unit, great, otherwise, be prepared for niggles and service center visits. I don't know how much it bothers you, but I can't remotely agree with Bhavish Agarwal's views and can never support a company that wants to make our lives miserable by increasing working hours. Plus, his yammering at swadeshi while copying western ideas is downright annoying to me.

[Phantom 510]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

Hi Guys,

Thinking of a reasonably priced electric scooter to do local shopping etc. Down to these two.

Which would you guys suggest? Or any other in a similar price bracket? Also all ads say that some subsidy is only till 28th July so I need to buy soon. Is this true?

Edit: Added iQube to my list

You should be happy with either an Ather or TVS. Do not go for OLA. However, the TVS (iQube) is more comfortable to ride with its comfortable suspension set up. Scooters are meant to be workhorse and should perform flawlessly without frequent breakdowns. We have an S1 pro in our family and it's a very weird machine. We are not satisfied with it and planning to sell it soon.

[nidhikapoor]

Ok Guys,

Thanks again for all the help.

No to Ola since all of you agree on that. TVS iQube 3.4kwh is 137,000/- and the Ather Rizta S 2.9kwh is 131,000/- including the Pro. Which should I go for? Ather without the Pro package is 118,000/-. Is the Pro really of any benefit?

[VWAllstar]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

Ok Guys,

Thanks again for all the help.

No to Ola since all of you agree on that. TVS iQube 3.4kwh is 137,000/- and the Ather Rizta S 2.9kwh is 131,000/- including the Pro. Which should I go for? Ather without the Pro package is 118,000/-. Is the Pro really of any benefit?

Go with the Ather Z 2.9 kWh with pro pack. Pro pack is the only value for money offered by Ather Check their website on what all is included. Reverse and Auto Hold being the must have included in it.

[Phantom 510]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

Ok Guys,

Thanks again for all the help.

No to Ola since all of you agree on that. TVS iQube 3.4kwh is 137,000/- and the Ather Rizta S 2.9kwh is 131,000/- including the Pro. Which should I go for? Ather without the Pro package is 118,000/-. Is the Pro really of any benefit?

Pro pack has the battery warranty - If the battery state-of-health falls below 70% or if the battery fails anytime within 5 year period. They will replace it with a new one.

[bijims]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

Ok Guys,

Thanks again for all the help.

No to Ola since all of you agree on that. TVS iQube 3.4kwh is 137,000/- and the Ather Rizta S 2.9kwh is 131,000/- including the Pro. Which should I go for? Ather without the Pro package is 118,000/-. Is the Pro really of any benefit?

The Rizta seems to be a better pick for your needs owing to similar power and performance, moreover, its got a much better mid-drive iPM motor as compared to the hub motor on the iQube, the range overall in both scooters should be around the 100 km mark with Ather Rizta you should get 90 to 100 km range on a single charge with the 2.9 kWh battery while the iQube should provide around 100 to 110 km with the 3.4 kWh battery, moreover price wise, the Rizta seems better too.

If you don't need the Pro Pack you can avoid it, but I don't think the showroom sales team will allow you a scooter without the Pro Pack, the benefits of Pro Pack with the Ather Rizta S 2.9 kWh are:

• Ather Battery Protect
• SmartEco Mode
• Bluetooth - Call & Music Control
• Dashboard - Auto Brightness
• AutoHold
• Auto Indicator Cut-off
• Guide-me-home Lights
• Emergency Stop Signal
• FallSafe
• Tow & Theft Notifications
• Find My Scooter
• Real-time Charge Status
• Ride Stories
• Push Navigation
• Alexa Skills

[rahul_kej]

Got my Ather Rizta delivered on 2nd July. Been almost a month and approx 500 kms, loving every bit of it. It definitely draws attention in the crowd and there has been many random queries too. The built quality, boot, seat everything is simply perfect. Using most of the pro pack features and they are helpful too.

Eco mode pick up is good for the city which maxes out at 55 to 60km/h whereas zip mode goes up to 80kmph.

[nidhikapoor]

So, the Rizta is not in stock [ 2 months wait] AND they will not sell without the propack. Instead the sales guys suggested the 450s withe the 2.9kwh battery. That's about 133,000/- without the pro pack.

If one does not get the pro pack is there no regen at all? In cars even when you apply the brake pedal it activates regen first and then friction brakes. Not like that in scooters?

[bijims]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

So, the Rizta is not in stock [ 2 months wait] AND they will not sell without the propack. Instead the sales guys suggested the 450s withe the 2.9kwh battery. That's about 133,000/- without the pro pack.

If one does not get the pro pack is there no regen at all? In cars even when you apply the brake pedal it activates regen first and then friction brakes. Not like that in scooters?

They won't sell the 450S without the Pro Pack either in most cases, so it will come to around Rs.1,47 lakhs OTR, for that price, I would surely recommend the iQube or perhaps even a Vida over the 450S. The 450S is small and isn't something I would recommend when you are spending 1.47 lakhs.

The iQube as you know costs less than the 450S and has all the bases covered, it has a wider sales and service network, a big 32 litre under seat storage, good quality materials, better range, faster home charging, and is the second best-selling scooter in the market today.

Another option is the Hero Vida, which is a value-for-money offering if you consider the price, features, and overall package.

[prasanth DIYer]

Currently, the EV 2W segment in India has some strong players. Having been in this industry for more than 10 years, I would say my bet would go on Ather or TVS. These machines offer high value for money and are built like tanks.

I remain negative on Ola even though they have high sales volumes. Your ownership experience might not be great. I can expand on this if you want more details.

Go for the Ather 450X if you are looking to own a truly Indian product with world-class technology. Ather could become a global leader very soon, as they know what they are doing. They don't rely on part makers to assemble their products. If you know the concept of FMEA, Ather has likely done more of these than all other brands combined. They are still figuring out manufacturing and marketing, but I believe they are developing their own brand strategy effectively.

If you are looking for a product with extreme reliability and durability, the TVS iQube is the one to go for. Even though the entire hardware is from Bosch, the battery packs are co-developed by TVS for Indian conditions and it's a rock-solid pack. It might last longer than any other EV 2Ws in India. Though it has a lower power density motor, it's more than enough for city and family use.

Bajaj and Hero Vida are still not the best value for money as Bajaj lacks power and Vida's value proposition is not really in line with the market. However, they are still good considerations if you like their looks and the solid service centers these brands offer.

P.S. Please do not compare Ola with Tata. Ola is completely opposite in terms of ethics and business practices compared to Tata. I still appreciate Ola for cracking the market but they need a lot of work in product and after-sales experience.

[TheRandomGuy]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

So, the Rizta is not in stock [ 2 months wait] AND they will not sell without the propack. Instead the sales guys suggested the 450s withe the 2.9kwh battery. That's about 133,000/- without the pro pack.

This is a really bad attitude from Ather, giving the illusion of lower ex-showroom cost and then inflating the final price with "optional" upgrades. This in in-lieu of car dealerships forcing accessories packages.

Also, since you are looking for a scooter with grocery shopping in mind, why don't you check the Indie River? Has loads of boot space and all the essential features. With Rizta being a mediocre Value for Money prospect now, Indie looks promising.

Adding my post in the River Indie review thread for reference.
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...ml#post5811902 (River Indie electric scooter Review)

[ritesh_44]

Originally Posted by nidhikapoor

So, the Rizta is not in stock [ 2 months wait] AND they will not sell without the propack. Instead the sales guys suggested the 450s withe the 2.9kwh battery. That's about 133,000/- without the pro pack.

If one does not get the pro pack is there no regen at all? In cars even when you apply the brake pedal it activates regen first and then friction brakes. Not like that in scooters?

You can buy without the pro-pack, its not compulsory. If possible go to Ather owned showroom, they provide better customer experience. (just call customer care, or go to different showroom), although would recommend buying it. Delivery time should reduce since today only they announced ~1000 deliveries in Pune. With Ritza, Ather is starting deliveries in tier 2 cities first, hence in Bengaluru its still not available.
Don't buy 450s if boot space is a requirement for you.

[bijims]

Originally Posted by prasanth DIYer

P.S. Please do not compare Ola with Tata. Ola is completely opposite in terms of ethics and business practices compared to Tata. I still appreciate Ola for cracking the market but they need a lot of work in product and after-sales experience.

Glad someone brought this out, There is absolutely nothing comparable between Ola and Tata as regards ethics and business practices, However, they are both at the top of the sales charts in respect of EVs and have been notorious for poor after-sales, and that is where the comparison ends.

[AgastyaXV]

Hey guys,
So for context, i currently own the s1 pro gen 2, and ive driven the s1x/x+, river indie, ather 450x and apex, and chetak, yet to drive the rizta.

OLA:

So first things first, ola is the cheapest, but the biggest problem is the customer support is EXTREMELY BAD. Trust me on this, my scooters body panels retention clips just broke on its own (within 2-3k km of driving), olas service centre is always full, and when i managed to get an appointment, they woudnt claim manufacturing defect for the body panel, and literaly superglued it. So if you want a reliable scooter, dont get the ola, it CAN leave you stranded, died on me once, had to fix it myself by unplugging wires.

The ola has cable drum brakes, which honestly are WEAK, and the accelerator is VERY laggy, once you let go of the accelerator, it still pulls for half a second, regen isnt refined, so i would refrain from purchasing the x/x+/air due to these reasons. The olas seat height is also very high(im like 5'10 ish, i can flat foot when i sit on it, but to make the boot bigger, they made the seat wide, so when im in a comfortbale seating position, i am on my toes, this will be exaggerated for shorter people/women), and its heavy, and the power cuts if you touch the brake, so thats another point to note. Since it has cable brakes, sometimes the lever doesnt return to its position, so the scooter thinks youre perssing the brakes due to which your accelerator will not work. So that is dangerous+ you can just search ola s1x/x+ system issue. You'll find plenty of scooters and service centre doesnt even fix them.

Ola does have the most agressive pricing though, so if you still want a scooter, go for the x (key varient). All the features of the x+ will come to x, while the advantage is that since the x is key unlock, you dont have to fiddle with the password keypad, and the locks are mechanical too, (this will help, as if the ola dies, and your steering is locked, as in the x+, you will be stuck, while x has mechanical locks, so you can still push the scooter)
Thats it for the ola, if you go with it, youre basically playing a game of luck

ATHER:

As for the ather, ive driven the 450x and apex, the riztas midframe/front is shared with the ather, The ather is definately more comfortable, the 450x being sporty was WAY more comfortable than the olas, also its much more maneuverable than the ola, so better oriented for city use. The athers seat is also longer so thats better. Athers software is the best in the game basically, google maps is more reliable, things just work, and it also has the charger gun lock, so people cant remove the charger from your scooter. You also get option to slow charge which will improve the battery life. The ather has front hydraulics, which imo should be considered, as it drastically reduces the braking distance. It also basically gets skid control, so that can be helpful, as evs have all the power from the first second, so its much more easy to spin the wheels. The accelerator tuning is far better, zero lag, the autohold is amazing, it works even on flat grounds, doesnt need to be on an incline for it to be triggered and is overall a better scooter compared to the ola.

River:

Ive taken td of the river indie too, the river is basically if the ola was a pickup scooter. The rivers suspension is hard, it will not soak up bumps, and didnt exactly feel confidence aspiring if you tried to plough through bumps as instead of it absorbing it all, it transmits it to the chassis and you, so you do feel it, but it has the most storage, most leg area. The accelerator response is like athers, good amount of torque down low, trails off in the mid range.
The rear cbs brake basically has the best feel/response out of all the scooters. Front is good too, but less bite. As for turning, the river wants to resist being thrown into corners, its more of a cruiser in that regards, so incase theres a pothole, dont expect to be able to avoid it, but rather plough through it. If theres a long continous gradual turn, the river will hold its line, just doesnt want to be thrown quickly into corners.

TVS iqube

Tvs iqube is basically a family scooter. It doesnt have the most power, most range, most features, but it is just meant to be a direct easy swap for a traditional ice scooter.
It does have front disc brakes, so far better than the ola s1x's drums, the accelerator response is also better, as it doesnt have the weird lag, but its down on power. The suspension is a lot more soft and just more of a normal less techy scooter in that regard.

If you want the best handling scooter, go for the ather 450x
If you want the most power/fastest scooter, go for the ola s1 pro (btw it doesnt get 11kw power, or the updated motor)
If you want the most space, go for river indie
If you want the most comfortable scooter: (tvs iqube is there, i havent driven the rizta so cant comment, but if the rizta is as comfortable as the tvs, go for the rizta, as you get a lot more tech, much better motor and accelerator control, more range, and you get the ability to fast charge it)
If you want a reliable scooter, dont go for the ola at all

[AgastyaXV]

Originally Posted by deep_bang

On a lighter note:

Ather --> Like Toyota (Expensive but bullet proof)
Ola --> like Tata (good features but bad service)
ICube --> Like Hyundai (Jack of all)
Bajaj --> Maruti (Great network but latest products are just so so)

No offence to anyone who owns the above branded cars. The above is just a light hearted take ...

I woudnt call ola like tata, Tatas are atleast structurally built well, while ola isnt. + The amount of fake advertisements etc are also there, promising features while not giving it.
But might live up to the tata experience, where your vehicle spends more time in the service centre than on the road
(the gen 2 pro has the same motor as gen 1, doesnt get the updated mcu either and doesnt get 11kw of power either)