Re: 2023 Honda CB300R launched at Rs 2.40 lakh Quote:
Originally Posted by Funny Looking at the specs, I don't find this bike practical for most use-cases. |
Au contraire, in my opinion this is actually an incredibly practical do-most-of-it bike for anyone living in a large (crowded) Indian city (which is most of us on this forum). Don’t simply go by specs. It handles like an absolute scalpel, can be ridden in the teens in third gear with no lugging, pulls like a train without having to shift down all the time, has a very comfortable riding position and can be flat footed by most. It is INFINITELY more practical than the Duke and we know how that sells. Think about where most buyers spend the bulk of their time in saddle. If you have a single bike garage it is likely to be 90% in city. Even if you want to hit the highways, you still need to get in and out of cities. Compare it to other street bikes in adjacent displacements, whether the Duke 390 or the FZ250 and you’ll find it the best of all worlds from rideability, refinement, power (through the powerbands) and handling. It only gives up a little top end to the Duke while generating much more further down, where most of us spend most of our time. The new Triumphs are excellent on paper but time will tell - all Facebook fora are flooded with complaints of overheating, mystery shut-offs, electronics mishaps and so on. And sometimes people just want options. The market is large enough to have many players and options. Quote:
Originally Posted by Funny The major drawbacks are the 157mm of ground clearance and 9.7L fuel tank capacity (about 8L usable I assume)… ideally drop one of these bikes from the line-up and come up with a 300X which combines the best of both worlds |
Clearance (of bumps/objects/whatever) is a function of many things not just basic frame-to-ground clearance - wheelbase and suspension play a major part it in. There have been zero complaints about consistent scraping and I personally never found it wanting in my test ride when the roads were ripped to shreds. True about the tank capacity. A couple of more litres wouldn’t hurt but Honda are masters at calibrating ride dynamics and it may have played a part in it. As such, a capacity to take you 250-300 kms is enough for major highway cruising on a naked/street bike, in my opinion. Most people would take breaks well before anyway unless you were doing an iron butt challenge.
With reference to the second part of what you wrote, there is actually a CL300 launching globally which is this package but in a scrambler/dirt avatar and that would be an absolute blast in my opinion. But forget us getting it here. Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR |
I’ve seen a couple of them on this forum and yes it perhaps points to Honda no longer being the king of reliability (though I struggle to place anyone higher still). However, of the two I remember, one was an idiotic error of paper being stuck in the radiator and the other was a scratched console. These are minor to me. Particularly when we are accepting of thousands of complaints about RE from frame breakage and suspension failure to electrical problems which now have aftermarket solutions. Heck KTMs have millions of documented niggles too. Not to mention shitty service centres. Here in Bangalore we have the absolute worst Triumph dealer and after-market support (or lack thereof). Perhaps that bar that we set is a little too high for one brand while being considerably more generously low for others? A little consistency in that would make for a more objective analysis. I do think that greater sales should make for better inventory and support, at least after a while. Quote:
Originally Posted by ProLearner This is still expensive for a 300cc, as it will cost about 2.8L on road. And even thought it carries a Honda Reliability premium, Triumph 400s have a long service interval so they could be equally reliable. We will see in a few months. |
We are too used to tossing around this thing about Honda’s ‘reliability premium’, perhaps most so because of the Honda City. But I would argue that here it is a ‘performance premium’ - the CB300R is a beast of a performer in almost every category and should be assessed as such. Comparing it to other 250-300s because of displacement and horsepower figures on paper misses the wood for the trees. This should be (and has been) compared to the 390s and it still compares very favourably depending on what you value. It now sells at a considerable discount to the Duke 390 and should be viewed through that lens in my opinion. On the Triumphs, I agree it ‘could’ work out better and I’m on the early booking list for the Scrambler but for the moment the forums are flooded with all sorts of complaints ranging from electrical issues to over heating to phantom shut-offs. I expect time will iron these out but none of this has ever been an issue with the little Honda.
Sadly the ways of Honda’s thinking can be mysterious to us - those Indian customers who would love for more from the brand. Realistically though, if you sit on their side of the table, from a global standpoint, they really don’t care too much about India as a market and I think that’s the fundamental problem. For us potential customers anyway.
Last edited by RT13 : 17th October 2023 at 15:09.
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