[aim120]

Originally Posted by robby0707

I’m sorry. You are wrong.
I own two cars ( Skoda octavia 3rd gen and Hyundai tucson )
I had a ninja 300 till recently ( non abs 2015 model)
and currently own a versys 650.
Both the bikes come to stop much faster and within a shorter distance than both the cars for the same speed even when roads are wet.
I agree about the cornering part. However, on expressways, there are hardly few instances that require hard cornering.

You may have stopped faster but doesn't apply to majority.

https://youtu.be/sVK2Hj8jDTE

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Now that we are told Mysore Toll road is not an expressway but just a National Highway, I hope they open that road for 2 wheelers and all vehicles just like any other national highway.

News :

Link - TOI

Interesting news. Looks like they dug their own grave! But I doubt anything will change unless someone uses this loophole and files a case against them in court like a PIL

[robby0707]

Originally Posted by aim120

You may have stopped faster but doesn't apply to majority.
https://Youtu.be/sVK2Hj8jDTE

Your statement had the word “ every average joe”
So i assume we were not talking about majorities or minorities.
I am not a moto gp rider.
Most above average bikes have better braking than most cars/ pickups / buses/ trucks that “ safely” ply on these expressways.
It is this kind of generalisation that results in these kinds of absurd generalised laws.

[aim120]

Originally Posted by robby0707

Your statement had the word “ every average joe”
So i assume we were not talking about majorities or minorities.
I am not a moto gp rider.
Most above average bikes have better braking than most cars/ pickups / buses/ trucks that “ safely” ply on these expressways.
It is this kind of generalisation that results in these kinds of absurd generalised laws.

Read it again, I said "Every average joe in a car" will stop faster.

Here in the longer video from the same channel, you can watch from first or skip to 5 min mark, for braking segment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuDmYhuLqJc&t=299s

[robby0707]

Originally Posted by aim120

Read it again, I said "Every average joe in a car" will stop faster.

Here in the longer video from the same channel, you can watch from first or skip to 5 min mark, for braking segment.
https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=ZuDmYhuLqJc&t=299s

Yes. I meant that statement only sir.
Every average joe in a CAR need not and will not stop faster than most super bikes. Some might, some might not.
That is a very generalised and wrong statement and i gave you my own example.
I’m an average joe in a car and on a bike with no superior skills. . I stop faster on bikes i mentioned( which are not even super bikes) , not because of my capability, but the bikes braking being better than “the average joe’s” car’s braking.
I watched the video. You can see that most bikes stop faster than cars like the kia sorrento/honda civic. Now think abt an alto 800!!
I rest my case because i cannot make my point anymore clearer. These kind of generalised statements ends up as meaningless rules like this. The sole reason why bikes and autorickshaws are not allowed is because they cannot keep up with the traffic which in itself wrong in the case of powerful bikes. A 296 cc Ninja 300 can easily maintain or even outpace most cars like the alto 800. If a rider can be indisciplined, so can a driver be! The rule is made solely because it is much easier to ban something outright than to actually look for a meaningful solution.

[Vasuki]

I'm in favor of big bikes on the expressway.

Take the Hyderabad ORR for instance, If on a two-wheeler to cross the Hyderabad towards Nagpur, you need to go inside the city and face the tumultuous traffic. We learned it the hard way of 2.5 hours of riding through the dust and heat.

Just imagine if you are not allowed to use the NICE road and have to face the music through Bangalore's infamous interiors.

So people judging should provide a nice balance, myself after paying 3.5 lakhs as road tax for the bike and not being allowed to use some nice roads(pun unintended) is not fair.

There is also an instance where I personally would prefer scenic roads to the mundane expressway as in the case of Lonavala ghat road to Mumbai Pune Expressway.

I say charge the bikes twice the rate of cars in the expressway so that only genuine people would use it.

[theqca]

Its not actually the cc of the bike but the seriousness of the riding which is important. I am a biker as well as a car enthusiast so I understand both sides of the dilema.

Our so called expressways anyway have a speed limit of around 100 / 120 which even a smaller cc bike can hit easily.

Example: I drive on the bombay poona route and the speed limit there is 100. Slower trucks drive at around 60. Any normal bike could fit in easily between this 60 to 100 range. The issue with some of these bikers is not the speed but the manner in which they ride.

Maybe in addition to charging toll, making riding gear compulsory for the route would help eliminate some idiots to some extent.

What I am okay with is:

A lower cc bike being ridden in a responsible manner by someone who is concerned not just about his own safety but also the safety and wellfare of othes on the highway, this sort of a chap usually is riding with full riding gear, maintains his speed and lane, doesnt swerve in and out between cars etc

What I am not okay with is:
A Hayabusa being ridden by an irresponsible idiot weaving in and out of traffic, changing lanes and speeds suddenly out of the blue, stopping all of a sudden at the side, slowing down in front of cars and abusing drivers etc etc Thats the kamikazee idiot I do not want on the expressway even if he's riding the fastest / largest bike.

[FLYBOYSID]

Voted a Yes.

My few cents:

Riding on two wheels is definitely riskier than being in a car. Skills apart factors like road conditions, idiots in cars, wake of other high speed vehicles can throw some uncanny surprises which may be too much to handle for the not so experienced riders.

Further, we in India generally lack self discipline. There’s only so much that enforcement can do. Try enforcement the Army way and most of us would feel it as Too strong a Hand and cry foul. Its good to say enforcement, but most of us having bikes worth millions have contacts and a sense of entitlement. The groups of bikers swarming YEW on weekend mornings is an example. Mob culture numbs even the most intellectual minds. Taking a weekend with your bike, I am sure one wont like to stick to the 100 kmph mark. A violation is a violation and has nothing to do with capability of man or machine(bike or car).

In the thread it was mentioned that bikers are more vulnerable anyway. Suppose one biker was to be involved in a crash with a fellow road user (in a car) and get hurt bad. No physical trauma for the car guy but imagine the mental trauma ( I know few wont have any). It sticks with you for long. Not even talking of tax payers money spent on recovering the victim from the spot, medical aid, cost of repairs to damaged infra railings, reflectors etc. These can still be afforded, broken limbs n broken hearts can never be adequately compensated.

Self discipline and compliance to norms are the way ahead. Unless done enmasse our roads are not going to be any safer for anybody. We, in India, are still a few years away to be mature enough to understand public safety and public rights. Once we reach that stage of maturity, such rules wont be needed and such polls wont arise.

Nobody likes strict enforcement, believe me on this. I drive to work about 4 km oneway on runway like roads with no traffic at 30 kmph.

[VKumar]

Although I have mixed feelings about bikers, most of the solo riders on the big bikes are normally the law abiding riders, normally maintaining a bit higher speed than the traffic; but ride properly - its absolutely okay if they do 120 where I am driving at 80-100.

The problem is when 20 guys group up and take the expressway at 7 am on a sunday and then they want to ride upwards of 200 kph, and yes - if you aren't a cop, then don't dare to question their riding behavior too.

So, although its unfair for the good riders; my vote is YES

[dsr001]

Could this rule have something to do with "Dhoom" like speedy robbers?

[slamnos]

I think the question should be if small capacity bikes be allowed on expressways.

These are commuters who ride without riding gear, on the opposite side of the road, try to max out their bikes to keep up speed on expressways without realising their small bikes can't even brake effectively. In contrast bigger bikes are safer on highways

The number of deaths on these smaller bikes are far more than those caused by bigger bikes.

I'd say stop any irresponsible motorcyclist irrespective of where they ride.

[inwester]

I meant to vote "No", but ended up clicking "Yes", because I was saying yes to bikes on highways.

Admins - can we have an edit for surveys, for click happy people like me? Or is there one already?

If the expressways are really meant for intercity travel then shouldn't a simple toll with properly enforced entry and exits solve this (as I would assume most low capacity bikes are local riders and don't want to pay tolls on a daily basis)?

What I have felt, these days in our country there are too many unnecessary, arbitrary and complicated rules, regulations and restrictions, in all walks of life. It's almost like the "establishment" is there to get you instead of making citizens' life easier. It's like the implementation sucks or the system is poorly designed which invites circumventing the law and then you are the law breaker.

Liberty and freedom for all (big bikes in this case).

PS: Basically I have not really "lived" in India this millennium, so take that with a pinch of salt. However, I have ridden at least 1 lakh kilometers in India during the years I have lived there.

[Red Liner]

As a motorcyclist and driver, I would say yes Ban bikes on such fast flowing roads. The risks are infinite on a motorcycle.

But also drop taxes on cars and reduce prices so the commuter motorcyclist can buy a car and drive safely with his or her family where they want.

Would that be win win?

[pradeep_mvpa]

Voted No.

#1 For the safety of bikers
#2 For the safety of others. I pass through Sakinaka, Mumbai junction every day to reach my workplace. I see bikers taking wrong side of the road to avoid traffic. There are many of them. Also, they jump signal when it is red and open for pedestrians to cross. It poses huge risk to people who try to cross the road. Unless this culture is changed, I do not recommend opening Expressway to bikers.

I understand there are many bikers who follow the rules, but that is smaller population..

[gauravdgr8]

Voted Yes as I feel 350 cc is not a big or a superbike. Bikes with capacity 600+ cc should be the ones allowed. Have seen all the antics some of the Dominar/RE folks (not generalising) do on the Mysore expressway, whereas the Tiger/Ducati folks have come across to be much saner.