[am1m]

Originally Posted by shailinder

...and when I said I would be wearing riding pants, he got confused...After a 2-3 seconds pause, he immediately asked whether I would pay by cash or loan. I told him, let me have a test ride first and then decide. He disconnected without much conclusion-strange.

What a joker! Bajaj, if you're reading, here is how you chase away paying customers and several potential customers who are reading this. Hope Bajaj cracks down on dealers like this and provides a premium buying experience for a premium purchase (and no, charging 5k for "cake-cutting" doesn't count- in fact, it does quite the opposite!)

When will these guys learn, how the heck does anyone buy or even book a vehicle without a long test-ride?! Why do we accept these things, 'book first and then test ride'. Ridiculous!

[stallionmyst]

Originally Posted by am1m

What a joker! Bajaj, if you're reading, here is how you chase away paying customers and several potential customers who are reading this. Hope Bajaj cracks down on dealers like this and provides a premium buying experience for a premium purchase (and no, charging 5k for "cake-cutting" doesn't count- in fact, it does quite the opposite!)

When will these guys learn, how the heck does anyone buy or even book a vehicle without a long test-ride?! Why do we accept these things, 'book first and then test ride'. Ridiculous!

Well said So called Triumph dealers think of Speed 400 as Bajaj CT100 and hurry up the purchase process.

It's the kind of attitude that irritate new customers and also doubt their after sales service.

I think its Triumph Motorcycles India should look into this.

[antz.bin]

Every morning I woke up after my previous post (Triumph Speed 400 Review), I wanted to wait for the new KTM 390 but as evening rolled around, I would have settled on the Speed 400 instead since it is so bloody good and *practical* and well priced! This happened 2 days in a row. I even paid the 23k additional deposit to confirm my booking on the 9th. But today when I woke up, I didn't get that thought. Today I had to figure out once and for all what I wanted so I put my Product Manager hat on and rewatched this review to compare notes with what I have experienced myself.

Originally Posted by vzvish91

Shumi/Motorinc take on Triumph Speed 400:
https://Youtu.be/sRKuBLPaSWs

It took me a while but I have finally figured out why the Triumph is the way it is and not the way the KTM is, especially the overly controversial top-end performance that is the ONLY fly in the ointment.
Today I found out that this is not a mistake or oversight. It is designed to be that way.

In the Triumph range, the Speed 400 is the lowest priced motorcycle, it is the one that is going to act as a feeder to their more expensive motorcycles. I can't deny that I was attracted towards the Baja Orange Speed Twin parked right in front of the entrance when I entered at the showroom. If Triumph has to successfully poach 390 customers like me (Remember, I was passively accumulating money for the 390 for quite a while) from KTM, they have to make the bike more appealing than the KTM at first but not so appealing that I stick to it for 10 years and not upgrade at all. Thats why I immediately liked what I experienced (till about 95kmph on a 6-7 km test ride in traffic conditions on Pashan road). Great suspension, light weight, great quality, great low end and mid range (better than KTM). The picture painted was too good to be true. BUT had I done a highway test-ride, maybe I could have figured out more of what these guys are talking about. Stuff that will *eventually* make me outgrow this and yearn for something bigger. Something bigger that is very conveniently present at the very location I will go for my yearly service.

This is not the case with the KTM. In the KTM range, the 390s are their pride and joy, their premier offerings. KTM puts everything and the kitchen sink into making sure I keep the bike as long as possible (so that they can keep making ASC revenue) by making it as engaging as it could possibly be for as long as possible. Maybe that is the reason why they won't sell their bigger ones here since most won't take that upgrade route anyways.

It was the same case with me and the Pulsar 220 back in 2009. An upgrade within the brand (or even outside) did not exist. Only when the KTM 390 came in 2013 did that upgrade path open up, but Bajaj had done this exact same thing with the 220 at the time and so nothing else was needed. I used the bike progressively lesser and lesser after 2015 so the upgrade thought never came up in my case, until now when I can no longer use the bike on longer routes since it is so bloody old and better bikes that I can have *exist*.

So the question here is not what bike you can afford to purchase today. It is, will you be able to plonk a substantially higher amount of money 1.5/2 years down the line on something bigger as an upgrade to the Speed 400. Because at THAT time, the currently available RE 650s and KTM 390s or any of the other A2 segment bikes will NOT be an option. I am not sure I can spare the cash required for a 600-700cc bike 2 years down the line, I really don't make that much money. At least not yet.

For that reason, I am going in to the Triumph again and asking for that long test ride to verify my hypothesis and then take the final call.

[shailinder]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Every morning I woke up after my I wanted to wait for the new KTM 390 but as evening rolled around, I would have settled on the Speed 400 instead since it is so bloody good and *practical* and well priced! This happened 2 days in a row. I even paid the 23k additional deposit to confirm my booking on the 9th. But today when I woke up, I didn't get that thought.

Beautifully put together.

I am probably in the same dilemma. I am 46yrs young, and my love for two-wheelers is coming back after a very long time (more than 12-15 yrs). I considered a few from Royal Enfield, Jawas, Yezdis's stable and 390ADV. Somewhere weight of the bike disappointed and, somewhere, the overall performance. Pillion comfort is paramount, but rider comfortability is equally essential. I also thought that beyond 390ADV, KTM has nothing else to offer, whereas, Triumph's starting point is Speed 400. Not that I will be buying their rocket in future, but who knows, I might settle for a Tiger in 2-3 years. Or completely jump ports and go for a Suzuki V Storm 650 or something similar from the Japanese stable.

Do an extended test ride and share your thought.

[gtx2]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

For that reason, I am going in to the Triumph again and asking for that long test ride to verify my hypothesis and then take the final call.

I will be there today as well for a re-test ride , could no go beyond a certain speed on Pashan road for obvious reasons, and till that the bike was a delight to ride. Need to see how manageable the vibrations are beyond that, and the heat management in a longer ride.

[neoonwheels]

Originally Posted by gtx2

I will be there today as well for a re-test ride , could no go beyond a certain speed on Pashan road for obvious reasons, and till that the bike was a delight to ride. Need to see how manageable the vibrations are beyond that, and the heat management in a longer ride.

Any idea when the deliveries are starting for Pune?

[gtx2]

Originally Posted by neoonwheels

Any idea when the deliveries are starting for Pune?

Someone shared pic on this thread of the bike already been delivered last week. Will ask today anyways.

[lazyrev]

Originally Posted by neoonwheels

Any idea when the deliveries are starting for Pune?

They have received about 100 bikes and are waiting for RTO approval, based on my discussion with them on Wednesday. The RTO approval is a formality and once it is done, they will start delivering. I think the mumbai showroom is at a similar stage.

I put down the 23k to be on the list for the 400 odd bikes supposedly allotted for this month. I might make it because I am ~470 on the list and many above me will cancel their bookings. Even if I dont make it, I am expecting to get it by second week of September.

[Akilan1597]

Has anyone seen the price of the accessories for this bike. The sump guard alone costs 4500. Mud splash kit 400. I get both as standard in Xpulse. If this is what accessories cost, imagine what the spares would cost. Triumph are going to make a lot of money with these two. Two minutes of prayer for those who booked it just for the price and hope to maintain it.

[lazyrev]

Originally Posted by Akilan1597

Has anyone seen the price of the accessories for this bike. If this is what accessories cost, imagine what the spares would cost. Triumph are going to make a lot of money with these two.

The accessories that are specific to the 400 twins are pretty decently priced. The visor is like Rs. 800, the knee pads are like 1.2k or something and the engine guards are also around 1k. I dont thinks these are "premium" prices in any way. Spares should follow this pricing too as they will also be made locally en masse, for these products specifically.

If you are talking about parts like the pannier bags and the battery balancer, those seem to have some commonisation from their premium bike lineup and so cost a fair bit more but still compete in price to other brands in the market. They are also, let's say "enthusiast" add ons and not really for safety, like the triumph branded bike cover. We cant really expect them to dilute every single thing they produce.

[Akilan1597]

Quiet the opposite. I don't expect anything less from Triumph. We'll know soon enough how much the spares would cost.
The standard model doesn't have tyre hugger . The front mud guard is not large enough. luckily there is a mud splash kit that costs 474.
And what even is the battery optimizer ? Why isn't the battery optimized as standard ?

I think to own a Triumph, you have to think like an Englisher and live like an Englisher.

[bullboy]

Originally Posted by IshWish

Went to One Triumph New Delhi to check out the bikes. The bike looks great, no doubt about that.
Attaching the price list for both Delhi and Haryana.

As far as i know there is a court order and rule not to charge anything to customer other than the ex showroom price tax and insurance.
Here in Kerala customer need to sign a declaration that nothing was charged additional and it has to be submitted along with the registration request . So i believe it is illegal to charge such additional charges.

[MathanK]

Originally Posted by MathanK

Today I have done 30min test ride of this wonderful machine & covered about 7-8km which includes bumper to bumper traffic & a short open stretch, my observations are below.

I have completed my second long test ride recently to know more about the heat & vibrations at higher speeds since I'm considering this as my 2nd bike for occasional weekend long rides, below are my observations.

1. Engine was damn hot & the fan was continuously pushing out the hot air during entire 30min ride. I felt significant heat upto my thighs throughout the ride, it was very uncomfortable & bothering.
2. Noticable buzz on the handlebar post 80kmph at 6th gear, vibrations were very evident post 105kmph.
3. Somehow I didn't get the WOW feeling after this test ride.

Now my interest level on Speed 400 have gone down significantly post this test ride and I'm feeling that this might not be an appropriate upgrade from my current Yamaha FZ25 since i could do 90-110kmph comfortably with this bike itself. So I have decided to cancel my booking and look for some other options like Interceptor 650, Meteor 350, or upcoming RE's >400cc bikes

[lazyrev]

Originally Posted by bullboy

As far as i know there is a court order and rule not to charge anything to customer other than the ex showroom price tax and insurance.
Here in Kerala customer need to sign a declaration that nothing was charged additional and it has to be submitted along with the registration request . So i believe it is illegal to charge such additional charges.

It's nice that you have such a rule in Kerala. I dont think this exists here in Maharashtra and so the Triumph dealer in Pune refused to remove the 1.5k for handling and 600 for the registration (this will be in the tax receipt and is part of the RTO charge, he said). So in total I will be giving 2.1k after ex, RTO and insurance.

[JithinR]

Originally Posted by Akilan1597

Has anyone seen the price of the accessories for this bike. The sump guard alone costs 4500. Mud splash kit 400. I get both as standard in Xpulse. If this is what accessories cost, imagine what the spares would cost. Triumph are going to make a lot of money with these two. Two minutes of prayer for those who booked it just for the price and hope to maintain it.

Accessories are a one-time cost component. Spares are not. If Triumph do price their spares exorbitantly then it would go against their stated objective of matching RE spares cost and eventually, they would go the BMW way.

Originally Posted by MathanK

I have completed my second long test ride recently to know more about the heat & vibrations at higher speeds since

Are both your test rides done on the same test bike? Strange that not even the reputed journos or even our own review mentioned this lackluster performance at high speeds.

Coming to highway duties or Sunday rides, the bike can easily cruise at 100 - 120 km/h in the right gear..... The gearbox too is very slick to operate with a light and smooth slipper clutch to complement its operation....

At no point during the ride did I face any engine heat issues but I don't want to leave this as a conclusion since most of my riding was on open roads and I was never in any heavy or standing traffic. We'd reserve judgement on this aspect until we get a chance to ride it in heavy city traffic.

Perhaps the test ride bike was not well maintained.