[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by ToThePoint

Would the service costs be at par with the bigger triumphs (similar to what bmw does) or would there be some rationalization considering these are entry level models into the brand?

Actually wanted to understand how pillion would fare on these considering the compactness? Any thoughts?

A call to the dealership on service intervals and related costs would be the best way to understand this aspect.

Lets see what media rides tell us about pillion comfort and overall riding dynamics, but to be certain about any motorcycle fitting our needs a test ride or many times multiple test rides are mandatory.

Cheers

[sukiwa]

Originally Posted by windiesel

What Triumph does is that it insists you pull in the Clutch EVEN WHEN THE BIKE IS IN NEUTRAL with that big, conspicuous Green 'N' indicator glowing, before you can start the bike.

Let's blame it on feature implementation by ECU software developer and his/her manager.
Instead of adding logic of input from gear position sensor, simple and single logic of clutch sensor has been used. Perhaps adding data from gear position sensor would have meant interacting with another team for ECU software developer, hence easier path would have been chosen by developer.
Unfortunately, as same ECU gets used by different bike manufacturers, it gets implemented same way.

[davelok]

Originally Posted by sukiwa

Perhaps adding data from gear position sensor would have meant interacting with another team for ECU software developer, hence easier path would have been chosen by developer.
Unfortunately, as same ECU gets used by different bike manufacturers, it gets implemented same way.

I suspect that the purpose is to avoid mishaps in case of false neutrals. Building redundancy. Plus a little bit of nostalgia of the good old Kinetic Luna days.

[AulusGabinius]

Originally Posted by sukiwa

Let's blame it on feature implementation by ECU software developer and his/her manager.
Instead of adding logic of input from gear position sensor, simple and single logic of clutch sensor has been used. Perhaps adding data from gear position sensor would have meant interacting with another team for ECU software developer, hence easier path would have been chosen by developer.
Unfortunately, as same ECU gets used by different bike manufacturers, it gets implemented same way.

Not to mention making it quite a bit cheaper.

[Red Liner]

KTM service specialists are slowly being moved over to the Triumph Bajaj wings to prep for the bikes when they come in soon.

2 exclusive service shops for the Triumphs planned in Bangalore. One at Electronic City if I heard the chatter right.

[payeng]

Originally Posted by Senotrius

Ideal prices but the duke 390 is available at the same price.

Moreover the KTM's are preferred more by Younger Blood.. I am of the opinion the Triumph's have the potential to attract the Mature Crowd (with much more disposable Income) as well.

I think that Bajaj would like to position the Triumph 400's (and hence priced) above the KTM 390's.

[atluri_rkc]

Originally Posted by payeng

I think that Bajaj would like to position the Triumph 400's (and hence priced) above the KTM 390's.

Completely second that and I too firmly believe that the positioning will be premium over KTM. The Triumph leadership confirmed that it will be a global model (barring market mandated cosmetics) with launch in Europe planned later this year. They also confirmed that the pricing will be competitive vs. KTM and BMW offerings in the market. All this is definitely pointing to a premium over the above-mentioned brands.

I too impulsively booked scrambler version and finalization will be entirely dependent on pricing, which I am sure will not be a pleasant surprise - as evident from all the recent launches in India auto industry.

[Senotrius]

Well, I hope they don't price themselves out of the Indian market. And if they do, atleast make the service costs more palatable. This was supposed to happen with the Trident 660, but never did.

[AulusGabinius]

Originally Posted by payeng

Moreover the KTM's are preferred more by Younger Blood.. I am of the opinion the Triumph's have the potential to attract the Mature Crowd (with much more disposable Income) as well.

I think that Bajaj would like to position the Triumph 400's (and hence priced) above the KTM 390's.

As per all the press, they're going to price this for younger people abroad, to get them into motorcycling. This means 5-5k, 6k at most. Roughly half the international price in lakhs is the Indian price for REs, as well as the KTMs. So I don't think it will be priced above the KTMs.

[Deepak George]

Any idea when the media rides of the Triumph 400's are planned? The ride reviews of the Harley Davidson 440's are already out despite them being unveiled after the Triumphs.

[aviator1101]

Originally Posted by payeng

Moreover the KTM's are preferred more by Younger Blood.. I am of the opinion the Triumph's have the potential to attract the Mature Crowd (with much more disposable Income) as well.

I think that Bajaj would like to position the Triumph 400's (and hence priced) above the KTM 390's.

In my opinion, more important than whether Triumph positions the 400 twins above the KTMs is whether Triumph is able to provide service and spares at par with the KTMs. Otherwise, it will be a repeat story of the BMW 310 series.
If the service and spare parts price are not sky high, these 400 twins will surely be crowd pullers.

[Senotrius]

Originally Posted by aviator1101

In my opinion, more important than whether Triumph positions the 400 twins above the KTMs is whether Triumph is able to provide service and spares at par with the KTMs. Otherwise, it will be a repeat story of the BMW 310 series.
If the service and spare parts price are not sky high, these 400 twins will surely be crowd pullers.

Rightly said with the bmw example. Just creates bad taste if Triumph makes the service/spares unreasonable. But I hope Bajaj does its wonder in this department.

[sukiwa]

Originally Posted by Deepak George

Any idea when the media rides of the Triumph 400's are planned?

Media rides are generally within few days of launch, exact date should be known today after launch/price reveal.

The ride reviews of the Harley Davidson 440's are already out despite them being unveiled after the Triumphs.

No media embargo on HD x440, auto journalists were posting their opinions on Instagram immediately after their morning ride with video reviews being published by evening. With media embargo in place, journalists are generally expected not to comment or share their opinion till embargo timeline.

[MandarMax]

Someone asked a question earlier on the size as compared to the Trident, and since the Trident 660 was described as a small or compact bike, I was wondering how much smaller the Speed 400 is going to be, so I did a comparison and the good news is that they are almost similar in size with relatively small differences.

For example, the width and height of both bikes are within a few millimetres of each other. The seat height and wheelbase of the Trident 660 are slightly larger, which might make it feel a bit bigger, especially for shorter riders. The rake and trail differences are also minimal, suggesting similar handling characteristics. Although the engine, weight and power characteristics are different so in the real world the handling is going to be different, but this comparison gives some picture of what to expect. To an untrained eye, the Speed 400 would look quite similar to the Trident from a distance in my opinion.

The tank size is also similar, Trident being 1L larger in capacity, but owing to a bigger engine, the actual range of the Trident is going to be smaller than the Street 400 and the Scrambler.



Does anyone have more information on the launch event today? Is it going to be live-streamed?

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by MandarMax

Does anyone have more information on the launch event today? Is it going to be live-streamed?

1:30pm today. Live on Youtube