[sukiwa]

Pretty exciting, look forward to next week for pricing. Hoping for pricing of these 2 models between 1.5x to 1.75x of Bajaj Dominar 400.

Has anybody got torque curve of this engine?

Originally Posted by PraNeel

BUT Bajaj Service. Let's see.

Not just service, even Sales. Bajaj haven't been able to sell their premium product as much as they should have been.

Originally Posted by aviator1101

Otherwise, if you compare the Scrambler one-to-one with 390 ADV.
Engine capacity both around 400cc liquid cooled
Power figures :
Max Power: 40 PS vs 43.5 PS
Max Torque: 37.5 vs 37 Nm

Gear box both are 6 speed
Tyre size both are combination of 19" front, 17" rear
Seat height both more than 840mm
Both weigh in at around 170 kg category

If you compare engine bore & stroke, bore is same with stroke being 4 mm longer. Many similarities, small differences.

[neoonwheels]

Originally Posted by sukiwa

Pretty exciting, look forward to next week for pricing. Hoping for pricing of these 2 models between 1.5x to 1.75x of Bajaj Dominar 400.

Has anybody got torque curve of this engine?

From the video posted on this thread, I could grab this:

[aviator1101]

Originally Posted by sukiwa

Hoping for pricing of these 2 models between 1.5x to 1.75x of Bajaj Dominar 400.

Even this formula gets the ex showroom somewhere close to 3.8 lakhs...

Has anybody got torque curve of this engine?

The power and torque curves
Courtesy Motobob.

[shortbread]

It's not the 650 scrambler, but an all new RE platform based on a 450cc liquid cooled engine is nearing launch. This will be the direct rival to the Bajaj/Triumph/KTM and Hero/HD bikes. The first model will be the 450 Himalayan, followed by more derivatives.

Originally Posted by whencut86

The RE 650 scrambler is also due for launch in a few months and the pricing should be between the Interceptor and Super Meteor price. At this price point the RE 650 Scrambler will make more sense than the Triumph 400 ScramblerX and Bajaj-Triumph should be mindful of this. I sense that they will disrupt the market with a good price and expand dealerships across the country and will slowly increase the price like how they did with the Duke 390.

[aviator1101]

Originally Posted by shortbread

It's not the 650 scrambler, but an all new RE platform based on a 450cc liquid cooled engine is nearing launch. This will be the direct rival to the Bajaj/Triumph/KTM and Hero/HD bikes. The first model will be the 450 Himalayan, followed by more derivatives.

I agree.

What Scram 411 is to the present Himalayan, maybe Scram 450 (if at all named so) will be to the upcoming liquid cooled Himalayan 450.

The Hunter 650 is what will be based on the 650 platform. And we may not compare a 650 twin to a single cylinder 400. RE fans will take offence...

[AulusGabinius]

Originally Posted by aviator1101

Otherwise snobbish attitude of the British marque will again kill an adorable product.

Otherwise, if you compare the Scrambler one-to-one with 390 ADV.
Engine capacity both around 400cc liquid cooled
Power figures :
Max Power: 40 PS vs 43.5 PS
Max Torque: 37.5 vs 37 Nm
Gear box both are 6 speed
Tyre size both are combination of 19" front, 17" rear
Seat height both more than 840mm
Both weigh in at around 170 kg category

So pricing should also not be much different...
Add Triumph's supposed brand value and throw in some more, a ball park figure of 4 lacs ex-showroom should be reasonable.

However, one good news is new showrooms are definitely opening up. The promise to spread over 120 cities is a welcome gesture.

If they go to 4 L ex-showroom, there's no chance of this being a hit. Besides, what I see is, they've taken off the annoying bits from the KTM Adv. Rear-set footpegs for one. That daft TFT screen, it's nice, sure, but not really a massive value add. That lazy quickshifter is another thing. TC might also be better. And the styling is a whole lot nicer to my RE-adjusted eyes. I'd expect what Autocar said, about 3.3 L ex-showroom for the Scrambler and 2.8 L for the Speed.

[shortbread]

Originally Posted by aviator1101

The Hunter 650 is what will be based on the 650 platform. And we may not compare a 650 twin to a single cylinder 400. RE fans will take offence...

I think they're very different engines in nature even if power outputs are similar. The 650s are heavier, torquier units for the more sedate riding styles/beefier bikes vis a vis the freer revving liquid cooled units that are lighter but more frantic in nature, for more sportier models.

[whencut86]

Originally Posted by shortbread

It's not the 650 scrambler, but an all new RE platform based on a 450cc liquid cooled engine is nearing launch. This will be the direct rival to the Bajaj/Triumph/KTM and Hero/HD bikes. The first model will be the 450 Himalayan, followed by more derivatives.

Originally Posted by aviator1101

I agree.

What Scram 411 is to the present Himalayan, maybe Scram 450 (if at all named so) will be to the upcoming liquid cooled Himalayan 450.

The Hunter 650 is what will be based on the 650 platform. And we may not compare a 650 twin to a single cylinder 400. RE fans will take offence...

There is also the 650 scrambler being tested as per many reports both here as well as from UK. So if the 650 Scrambler is to be priced anywhere between the price bracket from 3.4 to 3.8 lakhs and even if the Triumph 400s go over 3 lakhs, the Scrambler version of RE650 would not be out of reach for most folks.

https://www.autocarindia.com/bike-ne...-emerge-427623

https://www.visordown.com/news/new-b...be-called-bear

[aviator1101]

Originally Posted by whencut86

There is also the 650 scrambler being tested as per many reports both here as well as from UK.

There are lot of experiments happening with the 650 platforms. Basically they are all derivatives of the Interceptor 650 tweaked for different riding styles.

Scrambler motorcycles, by definition, have relatively simple designs, lesser weight with lengthy suspensions and substantial ground clearance.

Don't expect a bike developed from an Interceptor to have any of the above qualities in abundance, because there are no major changes to the frame as is evident from the spy pics. Moreover, these mods to the existing frame will further raise the CG which is already quite high.

For the time being, it's better to focus on the Triumph Scrambler 400X which seems to have adequate GC (though no official figures have been revealed) and 150mm of suspension travel at both ends.

[surjaonwheelz]

Wow, a day to feel proud. Another Global motorcycle Made in India!

First impressions on the style, finish and specifications leaves a good taste. Will it be a long lasting one? Only time will tell.

Practically when you consider the competition's offerings this (400x) would be priced close to the Mid variant KTM 390 Adv (3.3L Ex)

Now when you consider that Bajaj is involved with both parties with a higher stake in KTM then you're a bit confused with the strategy! Bajaj has to sell and service both brand's bikes.

Well KTM sales are nothing to boast off and gradually it appears to be a parts bin line-up with parts being passed on to a lower variant eventually!

The only sense I can make out of this is, Triumph reusing the 390 engine as a new engine (2nd innings) and enabling Bajaj to produce it before the new KTM engine hits the production line!

May be what the Dominar couldn't do for Bajaj with KTM under-pinnings the Triumph would be able to do!

The export markets makes more sense for both Triumph and KTM and eventually Bajaj.

Leaving the RE 650 twin platform out of this discussion due to the obvious, added weight and an extra cylinder.

Happy riding,
surjaonwheelz

[Cyber_Samurai]

Originally Posted by Funny

What's even more interesting is a 10K km service interval which might just be a first in the segment. If it's true and service costs are reasonable then we finally have a bike which would be cheaper to run and maintain in the long run.

So, you will be even more pleased to know that it is not 10,000 km but 10,000 miles.

Source : Official Triumph Website

Specification highlights include:
A high level of rider-focused technology to enhance performance and safety
Ride-by-wire throttle for enhance rideability, safety and control
Switchable Traction Control on both Speed 400 and Scrambler 400 X
Dual-channel ABS (switchable on Scrambler 400 X for off-road use)
Torque-assist clutch
Stylish new dual format instruments
All-LED lighting
Immobiliser

I don't think 'Immobiliser', Torque Assist Clutch will make it to India. It would be great if they do. However, with all this kit, I start to wonder if the 2.5 L price tag as reported by many auto journalists earlier is just too good to be true. I can only imagine what would happen if all this kit is available on these bikes at 2.5L ex showroom price tag.

Love the Scrambler 400x (Fully kitted)! Let's wish Triumph and Bajaj the very best for this and hope they continue to churn out more such beautiful bikes (Read that as a Tiger-like Adventure 400)

[antz.bin]

The bikes look substantial, at least in the pics. I like the look of it.

The torque curve is also juicy. 30+ Nm from <3000 RPM. Should be an easy to ride motorcycle that doesn't needs too many revs to get a move on. Its curve is still no comparison to the one on the RE 650s.

It does lose out 7 horses to the RE 650s but pulls back with 43 kg less weight (for the Speed 400 vs the Interceptor). That and the 17 inch wheels should help with some of the performance handicap and help it handle a LOT better.

A new *lightweight* 40ish hp option after a LONG while regardless of body style. My good wishes to Triumph and Bajaj on this one.

With the Yamaha R3/MT-03, Himalayan 450 and Hero 400s also in the offing, the middleweight segment is just about to blow up.

[aviator1101]

Originally Posted by surjaonwheelz

The only sense I can make out of this is, Triumph reusing the 390 engine as a new engine (2nd innings) and enabling Bajaj to produce it before the new KTM engine hits the production line!

May be what the Dominar couldn't do for Bajaj with KTM under-pinnings the Triumph would be able to do!

The Bajaj-KTM-Husqvarna love triangle is already quite complicated and with Triumph as the new Alpha male in the same territory, it would be really interesting to see how things progress.

[windiesel]

Triumph website says that the 400X Scrambler is 841mm high and weighs 186kg....a whopping 16kg more than the Strret 400. However, many youtubers claim, quoting the press release that the scrambler version is 835mm in height and weighs 179kg. Wonder which version is true.

[whencut86]

Originally Posted by Cyber_Samurai

Love the Scrambler 400x (Fully kitted)!

The Scrambler X will come as a bare bones bike I guess. The accessories catalogue confirms the same.

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.in/mo...-x/accessories

Hope they don't price the accessories like they do with other Triumph bikes else one may have to spend close to a lakh on these accessories.