[SoumenD]

Came across this. Apache RTX. Can this be the much awaited Adv based on RTR 200? Or just another Rumour?

Link

[Aditya]

TVS patents Apache RTX brand name - Post moved to a new thread.

[Samarth 619]

Bike advice wasn't considered the highest reliability source when I moderated another motorcycling forum.
But, this news might be true. And Sundaram Clayton Ltd. is a TVS group company aimed at producing parts, so no surprises there.

By the way, a technical change is required in the title:- It should be "Trademark", not "patent". Trademark is a name or identification, Patent is a concept or idea.

[FlankerFury]

Bikewale has exclusive details on this new bike.

It is completely different from the BMW 450 concept. Apparently it's a separate project that TVS has undertaken. Said to feature a new 300cc engine (no word on if it'll be liquid cooled or not) linked to a 6spd gearbox.

The test mule has styling typical of adventure bikes, runs on wire spoke wheels with suspension duties being carried out by a USD fork upfront and a monoshock rear.

Speculated to be showcased sometime next year.

https://www.bikewale.com/news/exclus...g-in-mid-2025/

[b16h22]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

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Bikewale has exclusive details on this new bike.

It is completely different from the BMW 450 concept. Apparently it's a separate project that TVS has undertaken. Said to feature a new 300cc engine (no word on if it'll be liquid cooled or not) linked to a 6spd gearbox.

The test mule has styling typical of adventure bikes, runs on wire spoke wheels with suspension duties being carried out by a USD fork upfront and a monoshock rear.

Speculated to be showcased sometime next year.

https://www.bikewale.com/news/exclus...g-in-mid-2025/

Very late to the ADV party but better late than never! I hope they can slot this in between the Xpulse and the bigger 300+ ADVs pricing wise. If that's the case, it'll be a game changer. TVS has the right credentials for pulling this off.

[TusharK]

TVS could launch a 300cc adventure bike by mid-2025

TVS is reportedly working on a 300cc adventure bike for the Indian market. A trademark filed by the company last year suggests that the bike could be called 'Apache RTX'. A new report now sheds more light on the brand’s upcoming ADV.



According to the media report, the TVS 300cc adventure bike is a separate project and has no connection with the recently unveiled BMW F 450 GS. Its overall styling, though, is expected to be like a typical ADV.

TVS is also said to be developing a new engine for its ADV. Although details of the new motor are still unclear, it is likely to be derived from the existing engine that powers the RTR 310 and RR 310 models. It will be paired with a 6-speed gearbox.

The new ADV is expected to feature an upside-down fork at the front and a mono-shock at the rear. Braking will be handled by disc brakes at both ends.

The report states that the new 300cc ADV is in its final stages of development and could be launched by mid-2025.

Source: Bikewale

Link to Team-BHP News

[asininite]

Can't wait for the TVS Apache RTX 4090. I can now mine bitcoin on-the-go during my commute.

[SoumenD]

I bought the Gen-1 RTR 160 in 2007 & it’s still running fine. While I don’t have any need for a new two-wheeler, a TVS 300/310 adv would be a great upgrade.

Give it a Xpulse-like suspension, comfortable seats(no cooling seats please) and most importantly an engine which has strong bottom and mid-range performance & can cruise happily at 100-110kmph(~5000RPM). I will happily upgrade after 18 years of wonderful RTR 160 ownership

[paperpuli]

Seeing how TVS has slowly kept updating and improving on the 310 engine for more power and refinement, I wish BMW and them terminate the joint developement and allow TVS to make their own updates and changes(maybe larger displacement to 350cc>) like Bajaj and the 373cc LC4c and keep the F450 production separate like the Triumphs.

Maybe TVS absolutely maximises the 310 engine for themselves, while also learning and smoothening out their own production lines for potential future multi cylinders.

[MotoADV]

I'm curious why motorcycle designers/companies associate adventure motorcycles with a front beak. Some might say that by mounting the headlight and fenders on the body(vs on the front forks), the steering will be lighter and quicker.

Or, maybe the big bike looks(with beaks) are preferred by adventure motorcycle riders.

The Suzuki DRZ 800 (1991 - 1997) is the earliest model I can think of. Then, the BMW R1150gs, the later BMW GS models, and all the other brands that copied the GS styling.

What should be the ideal design style for an adventure motorcycle? What all comes to your mind when you hear an adventure motorcycle?

Also, the bigger question is, is the adventure motorcycle a myth?

[Sebring]

In Bangalore, the non existent/broken roads have made 'pseudo SUVs' and 'adventure bikes' a big hit. These have pothole clearing capabilities, and riders can often be seen traversing on one foot tall footpaths

Originally Posted by MotoADV

Also, the bigger question is, is the adventure motorcycle a myth?

[b16h22]

TVS has unveiled a new 300cc Motor called RT-XD4 and it might power their upcoming ADV. Makes about 35hp and looks like a different motor to the BMW co-developed 310.

https://www.autocarindia.com/bike-ne...es-35hp-433789

[FlankerFury]

Originally Posted by b16h22

TVS has unveiled a new 300cc Motor called RT-XD4 and it might power their upcoming ADV. Makes about 35hp and looks like a different motor to the BMW co-developed 310.

Adding some details from the ACI article,
Makes 35hp @ 9000rpm and 28.5Nm @ 7000rpm.
Bore x stroke:- 78mm x 62.6mm.

For reference, the BMW-TVS 310 makes 35bhp @ 9700rpm and 28.7Nm @ 6600rpm.
Bore and stroke figures are 81mm x 62.1mm.

Except for a slightly smaller bore, it's identical, although peak power comes in earlier in the rev range.
A question arises, why the need to duplicate efforts when an engine of similar capacity exists already?
Since BMW is creating a 450 twin did they refuse to invest further into the 310?

I remember about a non compete clause between TVS and BMW, maybe that's why TVS couldn't make their own version of the 310 GS.

Or it's simply an emissions compliance thing, smaller bores have an easier time passing stringent emission norms.

[b16h22]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

Adding some details from the ACI article,
Makes 35hp @ 9000rpm and 28.5Nm @ 7000rpm.
Bore x stroke:- 78mm x 62.6mm.

For reference, the BMW-TVS 310 makes 35bhp @ 9700rpm and 28.7Nm @ 6600rpm.
Bore and stroke figures are 81mm x 62.1mm.

Except for a slightly smaller bore, it's identical, although peak power comes in earlier in the rev range.
A question arises, why the need to duplicate efforts when an engine of similar capacity exists already?
Since BMW is creating a 450 twin did they refuse to invest further into the 310?

I remember about a non compete clause between TVS and BMW, maybe that's why TVS couldn't make their own version of the 310 GS.

Or it's simply an emissions compliance thing, smaller bores have an easier time passing stringent emission norms.

From what I saw, it doesn't gets that inverted intake and exhaust setup with the reverse inclined cylinder. So it's probably all done by TVS themselves. And maybe they are moving on from the 310 platform and TVS is going to slot this in as the replacement from their own side. The new 450 will be priced at a much higher premium.

[b16h22]

New TVS adv spotted for the first time. It doesn't look like it gets a 21/18 setup. It looks like a 19/17 alloy setup like the GS310. Looks more like a 70/30 ADV. You can spot the new 300 engine from clutch case.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDdhu...oxZGFxY3FjMXJx