[am1m]

Originally Posted by ebonho

Also, neither the KTM nor the Triumph have the legacy of a history of chassis snapping in two.

Well Doc, you know that joke, "How do you make sure you never forget your wife's birthday? Forget it one time! (You'll never make that mistake again!)"

Perhaps RE has paid special attention to the chassis this time.

[aston_martyr]

Originally Posted by rishi.roger

looks like the pre-bookings have sold out or ran into a problem, I tried doing a pre-booking but it failed with error from various platforms/IPs.

Had a similar problem, i called my nearest dealer and they took the booking on my behalf. Sent me a copy of the ack. Suggest you try the same.
I heard from the sales personnel that there were around 1500+ bookings so far in Bangalore. Good luck.

[ebonho]

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[rishi.roger]

Originally Posted by aston_martyr

Had a similar problem, i called my nearest dealer and they took the booking on my behalf. Sent me a copy of the ack. Suggest you try the same.
I heard from the sales personnel that there were around 1500+ bookings so far in Bangalore. Good luck.

I intend to wait for the pricing and some initial batches reviews before doing the prebooking. I obviously didn't intend to do the booking in actual, was only testing.
I don't like this idea of prebooking without knowning the price, this is a bad practice by automobile companies these days.
That being said, this himalayan segment doesn't witness a huge demand that would otherwise make things difficult for RE. Iirc, the Himalayan 411 category was 3-4k units per month. I think RE might be able to keep up with demands such that it doesn't cross 6 months waiting period mark.

[CodeEvo]

Originally Posted by ebonho

Is the Price out yet?

Cheers, Doc

Price will be revealed during Rider Mania/Motoverse on Nov 24

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by ebonho

The Himalayan has the biggest front wheel at 21 inches, followed by the 19 inchers of the KTM and Triumph. Honestly, 17 inchers do just fine, and the same caveat as above applies, as ditto for the 230 mm of ground clearance of the Himalayan versus the 200 and 195 mm of the KTM and Triumph respectively.

Power and torque figures are near to each other for all three, with the KTM boasting of the highest power by 4 bhp, and the Himalayan the highest torque by 3 Nm. How much that actually translates on the road and trails only time will tell. I for one personally know how the Triumph with near similar numbers as the KTM mill actually feels on the road.

The KTM is the lightest of them all, a whopping 20 kilos lighter than the Himalayan with the Triumph splitting the two exactly midway, at 177 kilos versus 196 kilos versus 185 kilos. There is a HUGE perceptible difference between 196 kilos and 185 kilos of bike. Forget 196 versus 177 kilos. Swing a leg over the bikes and feel it for yourselves. Any bikes those weights. Regardless of their balance and dynamic characteristics.

For me honestly, THIS is where the game ends in this comparo, without even getting into the obvious reliability, build, and engine performance supremacy of the KTM over the other 2.

Also, neither the KTM nor the Triumph have the legacy of a history of chassis snapping in two. Something every rider with real world experience away from the internet will always have at the back of his mind going in.

Is the Price out yet?

Cheers, Doc

Regarding wheel size, I find the 21in wheels a treat even in daily commute. As long as the motorcycle is designed to be slim when the rider is on his feet, I think a slight 25mm seat height will not make much difference.

Regarding torque, Himalayan does produce it at much lower rpms than the KTM, and in that perspective IMO it would be unfair to say its just 3nm more. Doesn't the KTM Adventure have the same tune as the Duke 390 - and wouldn't one prefer a better configuration for an Adventure instead of the maddening high-revving tune of the Duke?

Regarding "the obvious reliability, build, and engine performance supremacy of the KTM", that I feel is too big a statement to throw around even for a KTM, that too built by Bajaj.

Regarding weight, as you say "regardless of their balance and dynamic characteristics", by that comparison the KTM 390 should be better than the GS850 and GS1250.

For me, the strongest point of the Enfield is that it has the capability to ride at a leisurely pace, as well as when you want to sprint and a treat for commuting as well.

The vibes on the KTM along with its high-revving nature and the always-running-hot is not what everybody looks for. Its probably good on a track, God forbid if anyone rides like a lunatic on public roads at illegal speeds. Unfortunately they do.

[Sam.k]

Originally Posted by ebonho

The KTM is the lightest of them all, a whopping 20 kilos lighter than the Himalayan with the Triumph splitting the two exactly midway, at 177 kilos versus 196 kilos versus 185 kilos. There is a HUGE perceptible difference between 196 kilos and 185 kilos of bike. Forget 196 versus 177 kilos.

The Himalayans Dry weight is just 181 kgs.
196kgs is with 90% fuel and engine oils.

But honestly the launch was sloppy in my opinion. No mention of the major selling points like ride modes, Tripper Nav unit, Price, Delivery timelines etc. . They didnt even mention that the booking are open. Felt like it ended abruptly

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by Sam.k

The Himalayans Dry weight is just 181 kgs.
196kgs is with 90% fuel and engine oils.

But honestly the launch was sloppy in my opinion. No mention of the major selling points like ride modes, Tripper Nav unit, Price, Delivery timelines etc. . They didnt even mention that the booking are open. Felt like it ended abruptly

I agree, it did feel shoddy. It seemed like they were feeling weird since the audience present was not enthusiastic, hopefully they do a better job at Moto Verse.

[CodeEvo]

Originally Posted by Sam.k

The Himalayans Dry weight is just 181 kgs.
196kgs is with 90% fuel and engine oils.

But honestly the launch was sloppy in my opinion. No mention of the major selling points like ride modes, Tripper Nav unit, Price, Delivery timelines etc. . They didnt even mention that the booking are open. Felt like it ended abruptly

Has RE ever revealed prices at EICMA? I am asking cause this is a global event, Although they should have talked more about the new display, ride modes , casting maps etc.

They are waiting for a grand reveal at Motoverse, Goa like they did for the twins!

[offroad]

Originally Posted by Sam.k

But honestly the launch was sloppy in my opinion. No mention of the major selling points like ride modes, Tripper Nav unit, Price, Delivery timelines etc. . They didnt even mention that the booking are open. Felt like it ended abruptly

Since they covered all selling points in the past few days, they probably thought to skip it. On a diff thought, they have created so much buzz about this bike that, even without informing about bookings etc. people have crowded their website and already booked vehicles..

[gprajeesh]

I didn't see any mention of having a USB charging port. Did RE completely omit it for Himalayan? Considering even Interceptor has it in the new models, I feel it's a poor choice to not include it in a touring motorcycle.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by Sam.k

But honestly the launch was sloppy in my opinion. No mention of the major selling points like ride modes, Tripper Nav unit, Price, Delivery timelines etc. . They didnt even mention that the booking are open. Felt like it ended abruptly

This wasn't an Indian unveil or launch! That will follow soon.

The same launch pattern was followed for the Super Meteor 650 last year as well.

[Gordon]

Yes, the Tiger does have a similar nature of ready cruising and power on demand when climbing the revs. From what I see, Adventure 390 owners have no choice because they want an adventure motorcycle, and prefer it to be KTM, based on the "legacy", but will then swear by it even for it's shortcomings. Even at 177 kgs, considering it's at 855mm seat height, the overheating engine, the vibrations (I sound repetitive), overlooking the annoyance of riding in daily traffic, I doubt it's a comfortable bike to live with. With your height may be (do you own one? Or are you basing this on the Duke 390 ownership experience).

I do agree, the Enfields have their strong points and the KTMs have theirs. It all depends on the rider and their expectations and needs. Regarding reliability, any motorcycle can either break or make the journey, and it's not that the Enfield is the most likely to fail.

[aviator1101]

Originally Posted by Sam.k

But honestly the launch was sloppy in my opinion. No mention of the major selling points like ride modes, Tripper Nav unit, Price, Delivery timelines etc. . They didnt even mention that the booking are open. Felt like it ended abruptly

I agree. The initial hype for the event and then the kind of environment they created by introducing the e-Himalayan and then pointed at the 452 and said "today's day is this bike's day" and then ended almost abruptly was a complete anticlimax.


Even the poor CEO kept struggling with his mic and poor audio for most of his part, to the extent that the availability dates were not heard clearly by the audience and he had to repeat the same.

Hilarious part was when he said it will be available in India from November 24, some people would have thought he meant "wait till November 2024" and skipped a heart beat.

Anyways, give what excuse you may, the event lacked content and was way below what customers expected.

Hope the bike lives upto the promises made.

[Sam.k]

Originally Posted by aviator1101

I agree. The initial hype for the event and then the kind of environment they created by introducing the e-Himalayan and then pointed at the 452 and said "today's day is this bike's day" and then ended almost abruptly was a complete anticlimax.

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Even the poor CEO kept struggling with his mic and poor audio for most of his part, to the extent that the availability dates were not heard clearly by the audience and he had to repeat the same.

Hilarious part was when he said it will be available in India from November 24, some people would have thought he meant "wait till November 2024" and skipped a heart beat.

Anyways, give what excuse you may, the event lacked content and was way below what customers expected.

Hope the bike lives upto the promises made.

Lol yes, it was more about how much the Royal Enfield team enjoyed the Himalayan in the Himalayas. it all sounded like wedding speeches!