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People may dislike the GSX250R. But those who ride it like it for its relaxed ergos compared to other sportbikes, the easy natured power delivery, everyday usability, and the of course the price, all the while looking like something that came off the race track. Quote:
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On the subject of RRvsRC though, on a race track, given two equally skilled users, the RC may consistently beat the RR. But how many people buy these bikes to ride exclusively on the race track? And even then, how many are skilled enough to wield all those 44 horses well? If we take real world usability though, as in what kind of usage these bikes see on average, I wager there won't be an appreciable power difference between the two. I mean the RR has good spread of usable power compared to the narrower band on the RC. So, if we're being real, for everyday usage, how many people rev up, dump the clutch and shoot off every time they start off for that superior 0-60, 0-100 times to be meaningful? Who does 9000 rpm all the time to really squeeze all those 44 horses out? Who shifts just right to stay in the powerband and drop into optimal lean during every turn for the supposedly superior cornering dynamics to come into play? Unless you ride b@!!s out on the RC, I say you're not going to be moving that much farther away from the RR. Even if you do intend to ride that way, will our roads in general, and the combination of the uptight bike and your body allow you to? And if I can stay on your tail while paying 50k so lesser, not punishing my whole body, being able to do more with the bike, and getting more FE, I think I might be the actual winner here. I do love peaky engines. So, KTM has my love there. But for TVS, there really isn't much meaningful competition out there to work hard to catch up to. It's doing adequate enough as is. They believe they have a competent product on their hands. Why else would they continue updating it every year? Quote:
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I have ridden both bikes extensively since one of my friends was very interested in buying a used RR310 before the lockdown. I can confirm just as any other road tester would, that the RC390 definitely feels a LOT quicker, and does not even require a long test ride to notice the pace deficit in the rr310. The RR310 is a great bike by all means but in a world where KTM keeps refining the 390, it does struggle to find a place in its segment. Sure some people may not want a sport bike in this segment for its sportiness but rather for its touring capabilities and then they might find the rr310 to be the better pick of the two, but if you're pitching it as a sport bike, the RC definitely runs circles around it. Last edited by IshaanIan : 7th September 2021 at 04:44. | ||||
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But look, if you compare a 2014 RC to a 2020 RC, the 2020 is the inferior bike with regard to performance. The throttle mapping was changed to be less aggressive, the tyres have been downgraded, some of the power would've been stuffed up thanks to BS6, and the weight has gone up by around 20 kgs or more. Even accounting for a few years of wear and tear on your particular bike, the ECU tune and the lower weight would probably still make a noticeable difference. Now, if you're going to compare a 2014 RC to an RR310, of course there's going to be quite the difference. Why don't you pick the 2020 model RC and put it up against the '21 RR and tell us what you think? Quote:
Years ago, I was on my Suzuki GS150R commuting to work in bangalore on empty roads around 3 am when this splendor came from behind and overtook me at 60kmph. Try as I might, I was not able to catch him on winding streets despite having a handful of hp over him on paper and wringing the heck out of the bike. So, when our routes diverged and I was still behind him, I had to resign to the thought that the bike had lost it's edge, being a well abused, 30k run beater at the time, that was redlined and bashed around every chance I got, and perhaps pending a few maintenance aspects, and so, I consoled myself reminiscing of the past glory days of 2010, 2011 when the bike was still new and responsive, and had taken on noisy Karizmas and pulsar 200s, and some other 150s down Chamundi and Nandi Hills, and at the bottom, had actually come out on top for whatever cheap thrills that was worth. Another time, I got ahead of an R15 while riding uphill (I think somewhere in the Nilgiris) on a Hero Impulse of all bikes, simply because the guy (a friend) refused to go past mid rpms for fear of "breaking" his engine while I was hitting the redline right from 1st gear. The same guy beat me riding the same way downhill because the bike handled much sharper and had better brakes than mine. Point is, there's many variables you may or may not account for when you try to judge the relative performance of motorcycles on the streets. Quote:
If we're being real, most people who buy sportbikes don't really buy it for the capabilities of the bike, but more for the look of these things and the hype it gets them. The case may be completely different with people on these forums, but we are a very minor, perhaps even negligible percentage of the Indian biking population. The RR does have a market, every-day sportbike. It does most of what the RC can, while going beyond it in other areas. It's too bad if people don't recognize that. Quote:
Why else would Yamaha and Kawasaki also put a more relaxed riding posture on the R3 and Ninja 400? It looks like even KTM is diluting the riding posture of the upcoming model RC390. Yeah, the clip ons can be slid down the forks for a more aggressive posture, but I think you may be able do that on the RR as well. Last edited by drt_rdr : 7th September 2021 at 17:08. | ||||||||
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| Re: TVS debuts 'Built To Order' platform with Apache RR 310 I took a short test ride of the BS6 TVS Apache RR 310 BTO with the Race kit and the Dynamic kit. It had all the ingredients to make for a smashing track bike! The two things which immediately stood out were the - lowered clip ons. They are aggressive in nature and at full lock, your hands might brush against the tank. This can make taking u-turns a predicament. On the flip side, they will make cornering in the twisties and on the track, a breeze. - higher footpegs. This takes less getting used to, than the handlebars. A lot of enthusiasts arent necessarily big fans of the TVS Racing paint scheme. After looking at it carefully, I must admit that I quite like it. If I was getting myself a RR310, I would definitely opt for this paint scheme. This particular test ride bike was meant for the media and hence, it had seen a ton of abuse. The engine was rather gruff and quite unlike the one that I had ridden here (TVS Apache RR 310 Build To Order (BTO) : A Closer Look). Even the throttle response was very herky jerky and un-TVS like. The Sales Advisor has also experienced the exact same issues and will make an effort to rectify them, before the bike goes back to TVS. Hopefully, I can get a test ride when the bike is in a better condition, than it is currently. Though I didnt ride the stock bike and the BTO bike with the two kits, back to back, Im pretty confident in stating that TVS has done an excellent job in giving customers two very different avataars of the RR310. The stock bike is a lovely sports tourer and the BTO bike seems to be tailor made for the track. Kudos to TVS for taking the initiative to make factory kitted track bikes, easily accessible to motorcycle enthusiasts. |
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| Re: TVS debuts 'Built To Order' platform with Apache RR 310 Happy to post that the new year started on a good note as I got home a pre-owned sparingly used BTO RR310 with just 1900 kms on the odo. Was on the lookout for a pre-owned BS6 RR310 since long but never got close to buying one. Luckily came across this BTO version on OLX, September 2021 make and October 2021 registered. Spoke to the owner who was relocating abroad, after a lot of deliberation, finally got it home. Considering the bike is only going to be used over the weekends, a pre-owned sparingly used bike made much more sense than going for a brand new one. Getting one with adjustable suspension was icing on the cake |
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