19th September 2021, 23:38 | #616 |
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| Re: Ola's made-in-India Electric scooter, now launched at Rs. 99,999 Frankly I am concerned about the quality issues and silly niggles which can bother us with a scooter which is being "rushed" out to meet stringent deadlines. I agree it is based on some existing base model from abroad, but if they have changed something related to its electricals or mechanicals, then it should be thoroughly tested. I hope the first buyers won't become the test mules for this company. Also, I am seeing that even pizza delivery boys & amazon delivery boys nowadays have electric scooters. They are riding Hero Electric Nyx (Next?) Scooters which have good leg room to carry their bags. They look pretty well built, decent plastics and looks good / proportionate on the road. Any feedback on these hero scooters? Last edited by null : 19th September 2021 at 23:44. |
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Ola has its own set of features like Cruise Control, Hill Hold, Using your phone as a key and most importantly they are delivering scooters nationwide from get go. Whereas people still can't buy Ather in Tier 2 cities forget about Tier 3. Bajaj Chetak didn't have any starting problems under high tension wires, don't know where that is coming from. They didn't deliver as many scooters because they are launching it in phased manner. Maharashtra being the first state where they are introducing it, city wise. Saying that they made profit during that time doesn't mean they can sustain in market just because of that profit. The production capacity during those days was not enough to meet the demand, in fact buying Creta or Seltos means having a waiting period of more than 6 months and in some cases up to an year. What kind of license raj are we living in today? BSNL in those days took equally long time to install landlines at residences. I am sure you must be aware of the waiting times during that era, they also made lot of profits, where are they now? So to say you can sustain for decades just because of first mover advantage is not true. Aesthetics like a translucent panel doesn't equate improved performance. That too on a limited run model. If we go by that logic then all automakers who add fake vents design will be renowned artists. All the features that you are talking about are not that unique, Apple or Samsung taking "inspiration" from each other to add features in their respective product is not considered industry first or engineering master piece. In the end I am happy that both companies are doing great work for my country and giving options to the consumers. But I won't agree that one is an engineering house while other is a drop shipping company. | |
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Etergo was designed keeping in mind 'ease of assembly', because from the outset they had taken into account sub contracting manufacturing to other vendors. Keeping it simple helps with easier QC management. The design revolves around minimising number of parts, reducing resource intensive components, easier and faster assembly etc Therefore simplicity was key rather than having to stress out on panel alignment, multiple surface finishes, tight tolerance levels etc which would be required when going for a more sophisticated design. That said the traditional manufacturers are not sitting idle, agreed OLA has a 12-18 month lead. They better not. All Indian majors TVS, Hero, Bajaj have action plans in place all of which have already been announced. Yet they all have one massive disadvantage, existing IC engine manufacturing investments. It will be very tough to wean away from bread and butter moneymakers, but they should look into history where they must have already learnt their lesson. Once upon a time India's two wheeler market was dominated by 2-stroke two wheelers, both scooters and motorcycles. In the mid 80s nobody in India made small capacity 4 stroke two wheelers, apart from one - Hero Honda. The rest of the market still swore by 2 strokes, Bajaj-Kawasaki, TVS-Suzuki, Rajdoot-Yamaha and so did most of the Indian buyers. But Hero Honda swam against the tide and offered customers something the others couldn't match - efficiency. When the savings benefited peoples pockets they came in droves. It took more than half a decade for others to react, by then it was too late. Hero continues to dominate the market, for more than 3 decades! OLAs electric scooter offers exactly what Hero Honda offered in the mid 80s, efficiency. Albeit now in the form of Electricity vs expensive petrol. As more people realise the costs benefits the demand will increase. Crude prices are going higher and State/Central Govt. cannot let go off fuel levies, the Rs.100+ petrol is here to stay. So far buying an electric scooter has been a compromise between higher quality-high priced option eg. Ather vs low quality-low priced options eg. plethora of chinese assembled scooters ie Hero, Okinawa etc.. OLA changes all this. Like it or not, India's electric two wheeler revolution has now truly begun. | |
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They developed something from scratch with all the bells and whistles with great aesthetics and pleasing to the young buyers. I have seen nearly 6 similar or better startups in India on a similar time frame who got unlucky in getting investments because of the ppt/presentation failure to investor pitch. Not because their idea was inferior or a poor 5-year plan but the 5-minute presentation didn't well good. So it would've been Ather in the shelves if one another acquired the investment a day before them with an extra slide in their PPT. Coming to OLA, which also started as a startup, the competitor was small Uber, they also came a long way down. Instead of settling to one single perimeter, they looked to expand the mobility business. They have done a good amount of development and testing on the acquired product from etergo. I can understand that some people do not vouch for Ola because they bought another startup and deployed a product of theirs, but why can't we think that etergo also came in a similar way as Ather did and Ola just invested in them and put the idea into the market? Ather is no superior nor inferior to Ola. Both of the companies work hard on making their product successful, at the end it's not the number of patents that counts, it's how successful their product is among consumers. I have worked on both Ather and Ola in their initial times and know their management very deep and both of them worked very hard to release a product. As a consumer, we should select a product based on the quality of the products, not by counting patents or the technology histogram of the dev team. Last edited by starke : 20th September 2021 at 10:30. | |
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Thanks to the balance of payment crisis of the early 90's which forced the Indian govt. to liberalize, capitalism could finally spread its wings in India. Even with the level of corruption and incompetence we have in the govt ranks, we are still making progress thanks to capitalism. Imagine the horror show if license raj had continued. Incumbents like Bajaj, which fed at the teat of socialist protection in 80s, would have continued to hold back progress and fleece customers. No competition, no progress. The Bajaj Chetak electric is a mediocre product they quickly cooked up from imported Chinese parts and barely did any R&D and are now charging a very inflated price for it. Bajaj products have always had QC issues, the electric chetak won't be any different. The issue lies with company culture after all. Even Bajaj Finance/Allianz and Bajaj electric are terrible companies even if the promoters are different. I am honestly grateful that now we have so many venture capital backed startups and foreign companies making my life easier and saving me money and forcing the incumbent domestic players to up their game and become consumer friendly or just DIE. There was once a time when even BSNL linemen gave you attitude if you complained about service disruption. There was the time when you had only crappy HMTs as an option if you wanted a wrist watch. Or the time you needed a license for a radio or a bicycle. The list goes on. I have completely stopped giving business to my local grocers simply because of their attitude. They think they are doing you a favor by letting you buy from them and generally do not offer any discounts. Now my money goes to bigbasket, jiomart, Amazon etc. and I get multiple discount offers to boot. Capitalism (with some regulations) for the win! | |
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| Re: Ola's made-in-India Electric scooter, now launched at Rs. 99,999 OLA S1 Pro got more reservations than OLA S1. Quote:
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I have booked as S1 pro too. I need to be able to cover 100kms in a day(twice a week)without even thinking about the range and have good performance. | |
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For all the hype, the Bajaj Chetak was a very average product. It stood out because the others were even worse. And the four stroke Chetak which they brought out was pathetic and fell flat. In contrast TVS vehicles have good quality built in to them, though their performance may not be top notch. My bike mechanic says their spare parts always have the best quality among all brands and last long, though expensive. I wonder why they are not aggressive with their EV offering. | |
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The TVS iQube electric, at least on paper, is the worst of the EV offerings from traditional ICE scooter manufacturers. It uses a hub motor and has only 75Km of range, that too under eco mode. It is not a very desirable product and they know that which is why they are not being aggressive with it. IMO, the ICE scooter manufacturers have made a massive goof up by not taking EV scooters seriously. If OLA scooters live up to their spec and performance, ICE scooter manufacturers will be done for. | |
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The patent count was given to show the amount of tech mind share given by a start up (Ather) and contrasted it with a well established company (Bajaj). [/quote] You understand that for all companies, the patent counts are there to impress the investors + KPI/measurable for the employee performance right? More than patent, having a stable product is what counts and it is too early to criticize Ola by comparing it with Ather, In fact Ola did invest and built a proper manufacturing plant than the minuscule inferior manufacturing unit of what Ather have. Apart from all these, the success of a company lies in their business strategy and then comes all the qualities of their product. In a business pitch, more than the product, angels are looking on how the break-even approaches, very similarly if Ather makes an exemplary product, but failed to make profit, thats the end of the road for them. So lets hope both of them and more of them comes to our market so as a consumer the control remains with us | |
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