The Atum 1.0 Electric Motorcycle - Max speed of merely 25 kmph

karanddd · 14th January 2021, 13:49

All the complaints that it's too slow are inane. We already have BICYCLES. This goes at more or less the same speed as a cycle, but is more convenient for many who can't pedal that well or are not fit. If we had more of these and fewer cars (with just 1 person sitting inside) or even fewer Activas, we'd have less congestion and much cleaner air. AFAIK in countries that actually are somewhat concerned with pedestrian lives (Norway etc.), inside-the-city speed limits are anyway around 30 kmph. If we could have more people walking (on properly built sidewalks), we could actually enforce more strict speed limits and encourage use of such bikes and normal bicycles. That's the future, not Teslas.

ohaak · 14th January 2021, 20:07

Sorry to say, but products like these give EVs a bad name. A bicycle would be a better deal than the 25Kmph vehicles in my personal opinion and these days you have electric boosters available for bicycles.

That motor is 250W, that is terribly underpowered and it will struggle to go up slopes. I own a Hero Photon Li and an Ather 450x. The Photon has 1200W motor and it feels sluggish when two adults go for a ride. The Ather 450x on the other hand is great fun to drive. I understand that EV two wheelers are simpler to make than ICE counterparts so more people are getting into the act. But there should be some engineering put into it to make it aspirational. There is no cost advantage with EVs.

Look at PureEV's product line up. https://pureev.in/epluto/ There is hardly a 12K difference between an underpowered product and their normal product. One of the claimed advantages for the underpowered EV 2 wheelers is that underage people can buy one of these products without a driving license. My reaction is why would a student do that instead of borrowing an Activa?

We need serious players in this market and I hope that Bajaj gets its' act right soon with the eChetak and forces other major players to get into the segment to build good two wheelers. An Activa is about 1lakh on road, for additional money, the EV product needs to be at least as fun to drive.

SandyX · 14th January 2021, 21:22

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Originally Posted by ohaak

A bicycle would be a better deal than the 25Kmph

Legally mandated max speed in throttle mode for e-bicycles in India is 25kph to avoid license and registration requirements.

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Originally Posted by ohaak

That motor is 250W, that is terribly underpowered and it will struggle to go up slopes.

Have you watched the video posted a few comments before? For a personal commuting purpose, it did not show such a behavior for its usage class.

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Originally Posted by ohaak

it feels sluggish when two adults go for a ride.

I do not believe that's the target usage they gave during the design brief of this e-bike. This is personal commuter at best, more like a longer range e-bike which rarely see pillion usage these days.

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Originally Posted by ohaak

One of the claimed advantages for the underpowered EV 2 wheelers is that underage people can buy one of these products without a driving license. My reaction is why would a student do that instead of borrowing an Activa?

I didn't just read that! Are you suggesting an underage person to illegally handle a licensed vehicle on public road, instead of using a vehicle shoehorned for them? I'd be curious to know what BHPians feel about that.

narayans80 · 14th January 2021, 21:22

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Originally Posted by antz.bin

Why do electric motorcycle startups fixate on the *Without License* part?

As an 80s kid, I remember quite a few batch mates and seniors or mine used to ride Bajaj Sunny, Luna and TVS 50 to school as high schoolers. It was street legal to ride a 50 cc (I think the max displacement was 60 cc) moped/scooter as a 16 year old.

For 14 to 18, this is not a bad deal to be independent. Whether parents would spend 50K for this one purpose is another question alltogether.

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The bicycle buyer would want to see pedals on this thing

This is not targeted at a cycling enthusiast. Since you brought up Hero, they have couple of e-scooters in this category for quite sometime.

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Originally Posted by TrackDay

25 km/hr on a public road !

Just imagine the risks associated with it.

Tons of TVS Scootys and autorikshaws are already doing this public 'service'

14th January 2021, 13:49	#31
karanddd BHPian Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Delhi Posts: 270 Thanked: 1,696 Times	Re: The Atum 1.0 Electric Motorcycle - Max speed of merely 25 kmph All the complaints that it's too slow are inane. We already have BICYCLES. This goes at more or less the same speed as a cycle, but is more convenient for many who can't pedal that well or are not fit. If we had more of these and fewer cars (with just 1 person sitting inside) or even fewer Activas, we'd have less congestion and much cleaner air. AFAIK in countries that actually are somewhat concerned with pedestrian lives (Norway etc.), inside-the-city speed limits are anyway around 30 kmph. If we could have more people walking (on properly built sidewalks), we could actually enforce more strict speed limits and encourage use of such bikes and normal bicycles. That's the future, not Teslas.
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14th January 2021, 20:07	#32
ohaak BHPian Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Pune Posts: 222 Thanked: 471 Times	Re: The Atum 1.0 Electric Motorcycle - Max speed of merely 25 kmph Sorry to say, but products like these give EVs a bad name. A bicycle would be a better deal than the 25Kmph vehicles in my personal opinion and these days you have electric boosters available for bicycles. That motor is 250W, that is terribly underpowered and it will struggle to go up slopes. I own a Hero Photon Li and an Ather 450x. The Photon has 1200W motor and it feels sluggish when two adults go for a ride. The Ather 450x on the other hand is great fun to drive. I understand that EV two wheelers are simpler to make than ICE counterparts so more people are getting into the act. But there should be some engineering put into it to make it aspirational. There is no cost advantage with EVs. Look at PureEV's product line up. https://pureev.in/epluto/ There is hardly a 12K difference between an underpowered product and their normal product. One of the claimed advantages for the underpowered EV 2 wheelers is that underage people can buy one of these products without a driving license. My reaction is why would a student do that instead of borrowing an Activa? We need serious players in this market and I hope that Bajaj gets its' act right soon with the eChetak and forces other major players to get into the segment to build good two wheelers. An Activa is about 1lakh on road, for additional money, the EV product needs to be at least as fun to drive.
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