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20th February 2018, 09:44 | #76 | |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Quote:
On our rides, we have a very talented rider on a P-220. > The gears are taller on the P-220 and it would be hard to lose a P-220 rider if you are on a FZ-25, infact, at over good speeds [or near top speeds], the P-220 might have an edge. > Headlamps are better on the P-220 but the ones on FZ-25 are ok & do the job. I anyways stick with <85 speeds at night. Rest at almost all places, the FZ-25 is better, after sampling a KTM I realized that the suspension of the FZ-25 isn't firm but it is not wallowy either. Its ok and provides confidence, brakes are good as well. In short, as far as only performance goes, the FZ-25 *WILL* not feel like an upgrade to be honest. Just that, it is overall a better bike to ride. | |
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22nd March 2018, 00:06 | #77 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Update- Bike has crossed the 1000 km mark. The Motul 7100 took around 100 km to settle down. Now the engine feels more refined and rev happy specially on the highways. No niggles to be reported. Getting a fuel efficiency of around 30km/L. It has dropped down due to more runs on congested city roads than highways. The only thing I am not liking much is the vibration of the headlight. On rough roads the beam vibrates a lot. I checked with few other Fz25 owners and some of them agreed that they are facing the same. It will be great if Fz25 owners from Team Bhp can confirm this. Else am loving the bike. Am enjoying every ride on this bike. Its an awesome street bike which is equally capable of doing highway runs too. A small ordeal with the dealer, solved by Yamaha motors- I bought the bike from Rudra Auto, the owner is a friend of mine. Rudra Auto is a sub dealer of SNC Yamaha in Howrah. SNC is the main dealer. So after 3 months of owning the bike I was not getting the registration and papers. I called my friend at Rudra Auto several times. He told me the RTO agent of SNC is delaying the job. I had a talk with that agent and he gave me all nonsense explanations and promised to get the work done in next 48 hours. As usual he failed. I took the contact number of a higher authority at SNC Yamaha from my friend and called him. I explained that guy the whole situation. He again promised me, he will solve the matter in 48 hours and get back to me. After 72 hours, I Whatsapped him - no reply; I called him - he disconnects. That's when I lose my cool. I straight away put a complaint to Yamaha motors. The very next day morning I got a call from Yamaha Motors. I explained to them the whole situation and they provided me a complaint number and asked for 6 days. I kept quiet and called none of the dealers. On the 5th day I received a call from SNC Yamaha and was told, my bikes registration number and papers all are ready, so I should take off the complaint. I waited for a day till I get them in my hand & then I took off the complaint. Again I got a call from Yamaha motors whether am satisfied or not or whether am taking off the complaint on dealers request. Once they were convinced that am satisfied, they closed the complaint. Kudos to Yamaha motors for taking these complaints seriously and resolving them with in the stipulated time frame. Day before yesterday I went to the RTO and got the HSRP (Security) plates fitted. Last edited by GTO : 23rd March 2018 at 08:50. Reason: Small typo |
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22nd March 2018, 08:04 | #78 | ||
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Quote:
Used to be a fan of Motul myself until experienced showed me otherwise, below is my maintenance record for my Bajaj Pulsar 220, I run her hard as she has a 50L top box and 40T at rear(stock is 36T); Also leaving this here, hope you find the info useful. Quote:
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22nd March 2018, 09:19 | #79 | |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Quote:
I myself am not a fan of branded/expensive engine oils, used to, but now I stick with manufacturer specific engine oil, just that I drain it in shorter interval than specified. | |
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22nd March 2018, 09:51 | #80 | |
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First, you mention oil life in your table. On what basis did you replace the oil? I presume the decision was subjective (engine feels rough). Second, I have seen Dan's website. As interesting and useful as it is, some of information is outdated. No modern bike requires an oil change every 1000 miles (1600 km). It's not because engine technologies have improved (they have), it's because oil technologies have improved by leaps and bounds over the last few decades. My Pulsar 200 ns can go 5000 km between oil changes on Motul 5100 without feeling rough. This is with somewhat hard running. The same isn't possible with mineral oil. But I do agree that super high quality oil for a commuter bike run at moderate load and speed, is overkill. The oil ends up being replaced well before it's near the end of its life. So money down the drain. | |
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22nd March 2018, 10:34 | #81 |
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View
This is really amazing to see this from a manufacturer. Really hats off to Yamaha. This is how they can definitely retain customers in the long run. |
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22nd March 2018, 20:51 | #82 | ||||
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Quote:
My personal preference is 2k interval, experimented with longer intervals as per recommendation from Motul enthusiasts(their reviews were just out of this world), though it didn't work out well, even before the motorcycle came anywhere near the 2k mark the motor would heat up pretty bad and the reason was evident on draining, considerable drop in quantity along with visible metal dust, thought it would go away after the 10k mark but didn't hence why you see me testing a different oil and then going back to Motul and repeating the process until I finally gave up on Motul. And you cant blame me if I'm an unsatisfied customer for blaming a product that didn't perform half as good as alternate products that cost only a fraction of what Motul costs. Motul's are notorious for accelerated wear and vanishing without a trace, and its not limited to their Synthetics, even their mineral range isn't half decent, I've tried everything in their 4T range some more consistently than the rest and they've disappointed without fail, mostly due to long distance riding at a stretch. Though in Motul's defense they're the preferred choice to extract maximum performance from a motorcycle if not longevity. Quote:
The figure Dan recommends is textbook for motorcycles with around 1L sump's. This has nothing to do with technology used either in the motorcycle nor the oil, the general thumb rule is that for a 1L sump you change your oil at around 1000 miles/2000 km's depending on convenience. As for keeping an oil till 5000 km's on motor with 1L sump doesn't make much sense, for the same amount spent you could use 2 bottles of regular oil and change at 2.5k intervals and your motorcycle would be happy, but it's not my bike so that's up to you. Just know that the only reason you do not realize the damage caused by your habit is because you have an external oil filter. Experienced DIY'ers who've worked with several engines can confirm this. Or you can take Bajaj's 10k change interval for example, if you go with Bajaj's recommendation then the interval to clean centrifugal filter is 10k intervals, whereas if you change at around 2k intervals your centrifugal filter would barely have considerable residue by the time its time for a clutch change. Quote:
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Having belted the life our of the first 4 oils(Shell HX3 was used immediately after the ride ended) in the list running around the country I can say that the Castrol provided the most performance as the acceleration was spectacular and the grunting was very audible but that is due to it being comparatively lighter, which was also evident on draining. The Valvoline was the heaviest, the motor was gliding(not grunting) even while almost maxing out the speedometer on the highways. Finally the Shell AX5 performed right around the middle, not much compromise on acceleration but at the same time the motor was grunty at wide open, but definitely a decent choice considering the price. | ||||
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22nd March 2018, 23:16 | #83 | |
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Quote:
Motul 5100 costs less than Rs. 500 per litre. For the performance and life it gives, I think it's a very good deal. It's not just the cost of oil that needs to be counted, is also the filter and the time. Please explain why you think an external oil filter is bad. It's possible to see what is getting filtered out of the oil since any large particles get stuck on the outside of the filter. | |
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23rd March 2018, 19:04 | #84 | |||
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Quote:
Even before the CBR's hit the market the automotive climate was shifting towards greener emissions as a result of which Honda's were the first to drop the usual 20W40 grade and went for more emission friendly and lighter 10W30 grade oils, later on followed by the extended drain periods, both of which are strategies opted by car manufacturers popularly Volkswagen as means to advertise lower maintenance and cost of ownership, the topic is highly debatable. Advocating against extended oil changes: Advocating for extended oil changes: Now ignoring that if you still choose to believe in manufacturer recommendation then also be aware that the more recent API grades come with lesser Zinc and Phosphorous content i.e ZDDP. If you still choose to keep that latest API SL oil for 5000 km's in your 1L sump then be my guest but do note that you've been fairly warned. Quote:
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11th April 2018, 15:42 | #85 |
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View I am looking at the FZ25 seriously but the lack of ABS is a big blocker. Also my experience with Laxmi Yamaha & Orion Yamaha in Bangakire was not good. I used to own a R15 v1. Can someone guide me to a decent dealership in Bangalore? |
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12th April 2018, 17:06 | #86 |
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View
I got my R15 from Bangalore Wheels Rajajinagar. I have found their service advisors to be better informed than the couple of other centers which I had tried for servicing. |
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19th April 2018, 00:08 | #87 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Discovered this new feature a week back! When the fuel was low, the below display came up in the meter console. It showed how many kilometers am riding once the last fuel bar starts blinking. I generally avoid riding with low fuel as it creates more pressure on the fuel pump. After refueling when i reset this display, it vanished automatically. Its quite a nice touch, specially when the meter console lacks a DTE. On the fiber panels i noticed few swirl marks and some faint scratches. So gave my bike for a Teflon coating yesterday. It looked like a good quality wax. But at the end the work done was satisfactory. I was charged Rs 300 for this. The faint scratches and the swirl marks are almost invisible and the bike is shinning like never before! The paint feels more smooth now. Lets see, for how many days does this last. I wont mind spending Rs 300 every 6 months when i give my bike for the routine general service to retain this shine. Few pics after the coat. Regarding the bike, it has approximately covered 1300 km till now. My running is really low. No niggles to be reported. Once the run-in period was over, i pushed the bike a bit on the highway. It was a pleasure riding this bike, solo on the highways. Few days back i compared the speedometer readings of my bike with a GPS app from my phone. I have rechecked the authenticity of this app in various occasion's and its more or less trustworthy. The bikes speedometer showed an error of approximately 7%. The speedometer shows 7% more than the actual speed. Faced one puncture till now. The tubeless tire helped me to ride till the tire shop and get it repaired! The first puncture is always special ! - Last edited by Samba : 19th April 2018 at 00:30. |
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5th July 2018, 17:40 | #88 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View 2,000 km up and second service is done. As i mentioned earlier the bike is sparingly used, hence the odometer increases quite lazily. On the 6 months/5000km service just the general check up's were done. Since the 1st service, the bike has done around 1100km and the Motul 7100 is holding up pretty well, so no oil change was done this time. Just the regular check ups & cleaning the bike. No niggles or problems were reported either. Few observation's till now- Traces of rust can be seen on the Chain. May be due to my negligence of not lubing it on time. Have applied WD40, then cleaned it thoroughly and sprayed the Motul Chain Lube. This was noticed 2-3 months back. Till then am lubing the chain more frequently and now even more in monsoon. Thankfully the traces of rust has not increased. Attaching a pic for ref. Mileage - For my daily use with pillion in town traffic the bike returns around 30km/L. On highway with speed around - 70km/hr = 42-44 km/L 80km/hr = 38 - 40 km/L 100 km/hr = 34-36 km/L 110 km/hr = 30-32 km/L 120 km/hr or above = less than 30 km/L After the 1,500km mark bike has become more smooth. There are no unwanted vibration's. Slight vibration creeps in around 120km/hr. The gear shifting is smooth too. Just love the handling of this street bike. Its light and very well balanced. Gives a feel that the bike is always in control and you can do whatever you want to do. Bike is fast till 125km/hr. Above that the progress is slow and top-speed is lesser than the competition. I generally do not ride that fast. On highways i enjoy the pickup and the torque of the bike. It generally requires very less down shifts unless its ridden too aggressively. I just love riding this bike on open roads. The rear brake pads at 2000 km mark looks good with good bite. The flat profile tyres restrict much from leaning and is good only on tarred road. Its horrible on slush and just okay on wet roads. Few days back i rode around 40km on the highway in heavy rain. The grip was okay and i never felt any nervousness. For enthusiast riders a tyre upgrade is recommended. Got used-to with the poor high-beam. With pillion the reach increases a bit further than riding solo. The highest i rode this bike in a day in approximately three hours was around 205 km. It was with pillion. My pillion rider never complained about the pillion comfort. He was happy. Riders comfort was good too. The Teflon coating done last time has held up quite well for the past 6 months. Will get it done again, once the monsoon is over. Riding on a rainy day spoils the Shirt/Tshirt of your pillion rider. I have not opened the rear mud guard, still this happened! Regarding this purchase after selling my trusted KarizmaR, am happy with the bike till now. Lastly few pics from a Sunday meet with few Bhpian friends. Last edited by Samba : 5th July 2018 at 18:01. |
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| Re: Yamaha FZ25 : An Owner's Point of View Good thing that you are using the chain lube more frequently. I think the rusting happened due to less frequent lube application only. However it's best to keep the chain lubed after any rain ride. One more point I use TVS chain lube which costs around 380-400 from wellington which I felt is better than motul in terms of lube and sustainability and also anti rust property. Will share my chain picture and lube bottle picture once I get to capture them. |
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