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Originally Posted by Ajaybiz Its not 3.5 L it's around 4.4 L for the GS Bangalore on road, BMW or even the dealer is not forcing anyone to buy so you can be happy without paying.
You can still own a Duke 390 at cheaper price and over 40 BHP. Or even Versys 650 with 75 plus BHP on tap under 8L.
It's not value for money bike and BMW is not known for the same and they were never in mass market.
Its just like having all the features even more in 15K vivo phone vs iPhone with limited features costing over 100K ![DeadHorse](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif) |
Well for starters owning an iPhone is different from owning an Android, the iPhone runs off an optimized OS which is designed with the hardware in specific hardware in mind and would only seem out of place if Apple intentionally wants it to. Android on the other hand is a generic OS designed to run on a variety of hardware with a certain degree of customization based on the device and irrespective of that and irrespective of the variants an Android would eventually start to lag due to the way it is set up. So it is merely not the brand name that makes a difference here.
A better comparison would be between a Viva V1 and a Nokia 105, they both do the same things and they also belong to the same class but the latter costs 5 times more than the former but that is not where the story ends, there is consistent performance as well which is a good enough reason to spend the moolah especially with the on the spot replacement warranty.
As for the KTM vs GS argument, the KTM makes more sense on and off paper for once and that is something, the asking price for a locally manufactured motorcycle merely for the brand value doesn't seem reasonable as per me especially considering that the hardware offered is nothing to write home about.
But then again there are brands like Royal Enfield who do have splendid sales figures due to brand recognition and if that is what BMW is looking out for then ultimately it would sell like the former, but as a motorcycle enthusiast whose into hauling ass for miles at a stretch I find that the pricing isn't justified, not that I'd go for a KTM because I'm against the type of engine configuration philosophy that they follow but I would hope manufacturers with enough reputation for making commendable machines would focus more on doing justice as far as their offerings go, because in the end the D390 and RC390 are the same motorcycle but they play their respective roles without much complaint which doesn't seem the case with the G and GS especially the latter as much more was expected.
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Originally Posted by ranjitnair77 You don't have to stand on the footpegs and ride ![Smile](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.png) . The 310GS has an excellent saddle and suspension so you can sit down and enjoy the ride as well.
There are many good reasons why it makes sense to stand up and ride on off-road and bad road conditions. It's better for your body, for controlling the bike and pretty much any other aspect of motorcycle riding. Do take a look at videos out there on this. This is also a big thing that they teach you when you do an off-road motorcycle training course. If the standing up pose is uncomfortable, you fix that by changing the motorcycle ergonomics.
We can all agree that BMW is not looking at a mainstream market in India and they have priced it accordingly. The 310 GS has a very specific niche. A high-quality, premium, lightweight, adventure tourer. There are two other options currently available in this category. The first is is the Himalayan which is less than half the price but is (and this is my personal opinion) a poorly built bike. The second is the Versys X300 which looks very promising but is more expensive than the 310GS by almost Rs.80,000 on-road.
We are seeing a shift worldwide to lightweight adventure bikes and these motorcycles serve that purpose. |
I do agree with using our natural god given suspensions and lowering the center of gravity by having the ass of the seat and that is fun as far as cheap thrills go but when it comes to covering considerable miles it can be a problem which comes in the form of fatigue and hits your average moving time considerably, which has never been the case for me as my motorcycles ergonomics are customized for my intended use but I've ridden with a few who in spite of owning reputed machines kept poor average moving time but then again they were not on purpose built machines and that is expected from them but not a purpose built or so claimed motorcycle.
Hence you can't blame for expecting more at the given price tag and mode of manufacture that a manufacturer that has a reputation of making potent machines in the international market is offering this and for this price.
I do get that their trying to cater to a specific niche market but a little more was expected nonetheless. When Honda comes up with anything for the low displacement market and it is under-powered compared to competition then it doesn't bother you much, same goes for the Benelli though for different reasons, hence why I find it hard to digest the 310 being a motorcycle from BMW offers so less for so much, the design philosophy doesn't seem to go with the expectation, I do hope that my perception changes as ownership experiences come up because if not anything then at least they should be nothing less reliable than the Mojo's.
The Himalayan is well equipped, as far as hardware goes but their quality control sucks big time, same goes for most of the recent RE motorcycles, it is not the hardware or design philosophy that is to be blamed because in fact that is what the well informed target consumer expects. What needs to be blamed is their operations philosophy, it does not do any justice to its asking price irrespective of model.
Having had the opportunity to ride some indigenous motorcycles worked on by enthusiasts who're good with their hands I know exactly what to expect from a purpose built machine and so far from what I see and read that is not the case, anyways I'm still reserving final thoughts after actually throwing a leg over the motorcycle.
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