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Originally Posted by aditya.bhardwaj
(Post 3442418)
Sir, both the tires will fit as tubeless. A friend is using them in his D200 and is really happy. And I am sure we won't be facing any problem on the D390 too as the rims are the same. But I am still not sure what to get. Either the michelin pilot street or the ceat vertigo sport. I have two weeks to decide. Please help ! |
Originally Posted by man_of_steel
(Post 3442446)
Yes, there is a possibility to fit a tubed tire as tubeless. But to the best of my knowledge, construction of tubed and tubeless tires will be different. For a tubeless tire, the tire wall will be stronger to support the weight without the tube. But why do we want to take an unnecessary risk? I know guys who has converted their tubed tire to tubeless on cars. But on a bike, a blowout at any speed will prove to be fatal. To be on the safest side, use the tubed tire with a tube. |
Wikipedia: "In a tubeless tire, the tire and the rim of the wheel form an airtight seal, with the valve being directly mounted on the rim. If a tubeless tire gets a small puncture, air escapes only through the hole, leading to a gentle deflation. Conversely, an inner tube could potentially burst like a balloon, leading to a rapid deflation of the tire which could result in sudden loss of control of the vehicle." |
Bridgestone website: Advantages of Tubeless tyres compared to Tube type tyres Advantages Reason / Remark Better Safety – less chances of accidents due to sudden air leakage In case of a puncture, the air leakage is slower. As air can escape only through the point of puncture; it gives sufficient time to the driver to control the vehicle Better fuel efficiency Light weight due to absence of the tube Less chance of damage in case of flat running No instant air loss Better heat dissipation Air in direct contact with rim Cost saving on tube No tube required No tube related problems Tube not present Less balance weight required No unbalance due to tube |
Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3442432)
Ceat Vertigo Sport 120 is tubeless tyre. But Ceat Secura Sport (for the front) is definitely not a tubeless tyre. Please confirm! I would any day go with the Ceats over the Michelins. Horses for courses. And since you're only using them for this ride, you don't need to break the bank either (I think you can get both Ceats in the price of one Michelin - check :)). P.S. Doc is fine. No sir please buddy! |
Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus
(Post 3442455)
I am not sure if you do realize that the chances of a blowout on a tubed tire are exponentially higher than a tubeless? There is no argument about the fact that tubeless tires are much safer than tubed ones! References: |
Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus
(Post 3442455)
I am not sure if you do realize that the chances of a blowout on a tubed tire are exponentially higher than a tubeless? There is no argument about the fact that tubeless tires are much safer than tubed ones! Needless to mention the easy repairability of tubeless punctures! |
Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3442100)
Thanks! So the front Secura Sport I'm assuming has to be fitted with a tube? Does it fit easily under the stock mudguard? And the rear Seura Vertigo Sport fits on the stock rim of the Duke as a tubeless - or do you have to fit that with a tube as well? Does that tyre (120 section) stay in place safely and hold air, inspite of being fited to a rim dsigned to take a 150 section tyre stock? Would be really great if you could get me the ansers to these questions from your rally friend. Yeah, a friend and I both on Dukes are also planning the circuit in late September-early October. |
Originally Posted by man_of_steel
(Post 3442464)
Buddy, the blowout I mentioned was for a 'Tubed' type tire being used as a 'Tubeless'. Yes, I do realize that the tube blows. |
Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3442466)
What he is referring to is the tendency of tyre shops to fit tube type tyres as tubeless on to alloy rims. Which can be done, is done. But just because you use a tube type tyre as a tubeless, does not make it tubeless, nor does it confer on it all the undoubtable advantage of tubeless. |
Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3442100)
And the rear Seura Vertigo Sport fits on the stock rim of the Duke as a tubeless - or do you have to fit that with a tube as well? Does that tyre (120 section) stay in place safely and hold air, inspite of being fited to a rim dsigned to take a 150 section tyre stock? |
Originally Posted by unk9ja
(Post 3443959)
Doc check out these from a fellow Duker from bangalore who aims to hit the Ladakh drive with the Ceat. I will check with him on the performance of these and get some details. Cost of a pair of these tubeless are 4500INR as per him. And he has purchased these from Madhus, Bangalore. |
Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3443993)
Very good option. Especially both tubeless. What is the size of the front tyre? |
Very good option. Especially both tubeless. What is the size of the front tyre? In my experience the Vertigo Sport (rear one) is a little scary on tarmac under braking sometimes. Not so the Secura Sport (font one) which is pretty great for cornering as well (once you get used to the initial increase in resistance in the handle movements). All this is my experience with these tyres shod on a Bullet of course .... have no idea how they behave on a Duke. |
Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3443993)
What is the size of the front tyre? |
Originally Posted by unk9ja
(Post 3444721)
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Originally Posted by ebonho
(Post 3444980)
So no modification to the front fender needed. That's super news. Thanks buddy. I do not know about the grip, the cornering, the braking, or the handling with these, and no one will know untill doing at least a thousand odd multi terrain kms on this combination. BUT What I can immediately see is that these tyres solve one HUGE problem of the KTM Dukes, both the 200s and more so the 390s. And that is damage/bending of the rim edges. Because you finally have a proper side wall and air cushion to protect from edge impacts when leaning. I am frankly surprised that no one at Bajaj/KTM have worked on this yet - after over 2 years of the first bikes hitting the roads. And the first reported cases of rim edges bending. The solution is pretty obvious. Has been for some timenow frankly. Yes it might mean loss of some of the super sharp handling. But the current situation is not even a Devil's alternative. |
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