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Old 8th August 2024, 16:35   #6181
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

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Can anybody help me in procuring Amsoil Synthetic 0W-20 XL Motor Oil ? I found one source in Amazon but the delivery date is on 14 Aug while I have a trip planned that day.

Can't find any source in Hyderabad.
https://amsoil.co.in/where-to-buy/?c...om=6&undefined

Greaves Cotton Ltd
Old Mumbai Pune Road, Chinchwad, Pune 411019, India
E: ajit.vaishampayan@greavescotton.com
T: +91 9763717535

Greaves Cotton are the nationwide amsoil distributor. Please call him and ask who their distributor is in Hyderabad.
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

An uneventful oil change.

I had ordered filter and Amsoil Signature Series for my Altis which had arrived in early July. Due to work pressure, I could not get time to change the oil. Today I finally got some time and headed to our FNG. He did not bother to check the boodmo packet of filter, neither did I. After draining the old oil and removing old filter we discovered that the oil filter I ordered, was not compatible with the Corolla. It was an Innova fit. So unluckily, I had to clean the old filter and reuse it with the fresh oil.
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Just get the Corolla filter, unscrew the old one and screw in the new one. Top up whatever little oil is lost in this process. Simple enough.

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An uneventful oil change.

I had ordered filter and Amsoil Signature Series for my Altis which had arrived in early July. Due to work pressure, I could not get time to change the oil. Today I finally got some time and headed to our FNG. He did not bother to check the boodmo packet of filter, neither did I. After draining the old oil and removing old filter we discovered that the oil filter I ordered, was not compatible with the Corolla. It was an Innova fit. So unluckily, I had to clean the old filter and reuse it with the fresh oil.
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

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A quick query about 0w20 and 0w30 engine oil. My 2023 I20 was filled with 0w30 shell helix ultra fully synthetic engine oil for the 30k km service. But the owner's manual recommends 0w20 engine oil. Is there any drastic difference between them?
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A quick query about 0w20 and 0w30 engine oil. My 2023 I20 was filled with 0w30 shell helix ultra fully synthetic engine oil for the 30k km service. But the owner's manual recommends 0w20 engine oil. Is there any drastic difference between them?
Almost nothing except a little fuel economy lost for more engine protection
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GTO...i was just going thru that link you posted earlier !! heres what it says :

If you do decide to change, only go up the scale. If you've been running around on synthetic, don't change down to a mineral-based oil - your engine might not be able to cope with the degradation in lubrication. Consequently, if you've been using mineral oil, try a semi or a full synthetic oil. By degradation, I'm speaking of the wear tolerances that an engine develops based on the oil that it's using. Thicker mineral oils mean thicker layers of oil coating the moving parts (by microns though). Switching to a thinner synthetic oil can cause piston rings to leak and in some very rare cases, piston slap or crank vibration.


...kinda seems i'm stuck with synthetic oil for life now !! this is one thing i never expected !!
I wish I knew this before 1 year... I was using fully synthetic oil for my yamaha scooter, (changed from an FNG). I developed suspension and clutch issues and thus gave it for service at a yamaha ASS. They filled mineral oil for the next service, and on my next spirited driving session my engine seized up
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I wish I knew this before 1 year... I was using fully synthetic oil for my yamaha scooter, (changed from an FNG). I developed suspension and clutch issues and thus gave it for service at a yamaha ASS. They filled mineral oil for the next service, and on my next spirited driving session my engine seized up
This is not possible. They must have overfilled, under-filled or did not put back oil at all. Mineral oils are good enough for any kind of spirited riding but not racing, where the engine doesn’t get time to cool at all. Not possible in our cities.
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I wish I knew this before 1 year... I was using fully synthetic oil for my yamaha scooter, (changed from an FNG). I developed suspension and clutch issues and thus gave it for service at a yamaha ASS. They filled mineral oil for the next service, and on my next spirited driving session my engine seized up
As long as the oil meets your engine spec it can be mineral, synthetic or anything else. Doesn’t really matter if you change synthetic to mineral any more than it does if you eat dal roti for dinner after having lunch at a star hotel.
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This is not possible. They must have overfilled, under-filled or did not put back oil at all. Mineral oils are good enough for any kind of spirited riding but not racing, where the engine doesn’t get time to cool at all. Not possible in our cities.
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As long as the oil meets your engine spec it can be mineral, synthetic or anything else. Doesn’t really matter if you change synthetic to mineral any more than it does if you eat dal roti for dinner after having lunch at a star hotel.
Hmmm might have been something else then....
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Getting service of my 2017 Rapid TDI done at a fng.
They use wurth engine oil, I'm not too sure about it, so thinking of getting the best synthetic oil by myself.
This is what the manual states:
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Confused between Shell Helix Ultra and Liqui Moly 5W40
Any suggestions on which one is more performance oriented, as i have a spirited 20+20 km runs 5 to 6 days a week on the JNPT highway
Also good places where i can get them in or around Panvel/Navi Mumbai?

P.s Liqui moly also has a different can called Molygen and a grey and a blue can too
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Getting service of my 2017 Rapid TDI done at a fng.
Just stick to shell helix ultra of all these brands
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Getting service of my 2017 Rapid TDI done at a fng.
Confused between Shell Helix Ultra and Liqui Moly 5W40
Any suggestions on which one is more performance oriented, as i have a spirited 20+20 km runs 5 to 6 days a week on the JNPT highway
Also good places where i can get them in or around Panvel/Navi Mumbai?

P.s Liqui moly also has a different can called Molygen and a grey and a blue can too
Switch to Liqui Moly Molygen 5w40, if you can. It is VW 502 00 certified. This is one of the best you can get for your car. Expensive but the molygen additive do make the engine smooth and slight better fuel economy.

I have tried this on my Rapid 1.0 TSI. The difference was clearly evident.
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Switch to Liqui Moly Molygen 5w40, if you can. It is VW 502 00 certified.
Mine is a Diesel engine and suggested is VW 505 01
Out of all the above, only Liqui Moly (3701) 5W-40 Top Tec 4100 Low Ash Synthetic Motor Oil suits my engine.
Shell Helix and other are for VW 502 00 unfortunately, and I'm not sure if they are backwards compatible.
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Mine is a Diesel engine and suggested is VW 505 01
Out of all the above, only Liqui Moly (3701) 5W-40 Top Tec 4100 Low Ash Synthetic Motor Oil suits my engine.
Shell Helix and other are for VW 502 00 unfortunately, and I'm not sure if they are backwards compatible.
My bad. Did not see the TDI salutation. In that case the Top Tech is the best you can buy. Have seen multiple owners (Who I know personally) using this.
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Mine is a Diesel engine and suggested is VW 505 01
Out of all the above, only Liqui Moly (3701) 5W-40 Top Tec 4100 Low Ash Synthetic Motor Oil suits my engine.
Shell Helix and other are for VW 502 00 unfortunately, and I'm not sure if they are backwards compatible.
502 usually comes with 505 00 and that is not compatible with 505 01

You can get a 504 00 / 507 00 oil and that is compatible. For example these

https://amzn.in/d/i9cRKvT Motul 8100 xclean +

https://amzn.in/d/5ltCrN2 Shell 0w30 ultra ECT

This is from the Addinol website which is useful to lookup VW and other European oil standards.

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VW 505 01 approval for engine oils
The specification VW 505 01 was developed for Volkswagen brand cars with diesel engine and fixed service interval (annual oil change). Accordingly, these are not long-life oils. The engine oils are especially suitable for diesel engines with unit-injector system. If your operating manual requires a 505 01 oil for the change, you cannot use a VW 505 00 oil as it is not backwards compatible with it. However, an engine oil with VW 507 00 approval is also suitable, as this is an advanced formula. Typical viscosity grades for VW 505 01 oils are SAE 5w30 and SAE 5w40. The VW standard 505 01 also applies to diesel vehicles of the subsidiaries Audi, Skoda and Seat.
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