ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

R2D2 · 25th October 2009, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Gansan

Are you sure? To my knowledge it comes in 1 Ltr and 3 Ltr cans only.

Hi, the oil you're referring is Shell Helix Super 15w-40. It comes in 500 ml,3 and 4 litre cans. Helix Ultra 5w-40 synthetic come in 1 and 4 litres cans only.

I read that Shell also supplies these oils in 200 litre barrels.

Rgds,

nitrous · 25th October 2009, 22:59

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Originally Posted by Gansan

Are you sure? To my knowledge it comes in 1 Ltr and 3 Ltr cans only.

Whats your source, Ganesh?
I myself have used a 4L can of Helix Ultra.

Gansan · 26th October 2009, 15:19

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Hi, the oil you're referring is Shell Helix Super 15w-40. It comes in 500 ml,3 and 4 litre cans. Helix Ultra 5w-40 synthetic come in 1 and 4 litres cans only.

I read that Shell also supplies these oils in 200 litre barrels.

Rgds,

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Originally Posted by nitrous

Whats your source, Ganesh?
I myself have used a 4L can of Helix Ultra.

When I went to the Shell bunk at Chromepet to buy a three litre can of Shell Helix Super 15W40 for my Alto, I was informed it comes only in 4 litre cans and only the Helix / Helix Ultra were available in 1 litre and 3 litre cans. So I bought the 4 litre can, and was checking with you guys during the VB meet if I could use the left over oil (1 litre) for my Splendor!

R2D2 · 26th October 2009, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Gansan

and was checking with you guys during the VB meet if I could use the left over oil (1 litre) for my Splendor!

Gansan, using a car engine oil in a bike is not a good idea, especially in bikes with wet clutch systems. Car and bike engine characteristics including the operating RPM range and temperatures are very different. Though if I remember correctly the HH 100 CC bikes have a dry clutch.

What you can do is keep the left over oil for top ups OR during your next oil change buy two 1 litre cans and use the left over to total up to a full refill quantity.

Cheers!

Raccoon · 27th October 2009, 00:35

^^^ HH 100 cc have a dry clutch?? No sire, I don't think so?!

R2D2 · 27th October 2009, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Raccoon

^^^ HH 100 cc have a dry clutch?? No sire, I don't think so?!

You're right. I stand corrected. It has a wet clutch.

Cheers!

LionX · 27th October 2009, 11:41

Got hold of Patronas Urania Supremo CI-4 mineral oil from JC road for my Safari. It also comes in a 7.5Ltr can that is exactly what safari needs

. I paid 1450/- for 7.5ltr, thats comes less than 200/ltr. TATA is charging 240/ltr for Castrol GTX which is only CH-4.

HappyWheels · 27th October 2009, 12:01

Good fine LionX! Guess for the next service, I know from where to procure the oil from!

So, where is this shop at JC road?

EDIT: JC Road as in Bangalore JC Road or is it a place at Cochin???

LionX · 27th October 2009, 12:19

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Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Good fine LionX! Guess for the next service, I know from where to procure the oil from!

So, where is this shop at JC road?

EDIT: JC Road as in Bangalore JC Road or is it a place at Cochin???

Yes, its for the second service, mine is at 14500kms now.
Its from Bangalore JC Road itself. The shop name is Real Automobiles, but he ordered it from somewhere else. I got OWC 220 as well for some extra protection.

Now the real challenge is to convince the T.A.S.S to use the oil I got.

HIGHNOON · 27th October 2009, 22:24

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Originally Posted by LionX

Got hold of Patronas Urania Supremo CI-4 mineral oil from JC road for my Safari. It also comes in a 7.5Ltr can that is exactly what safari needs

. I paid 1450/- for 7.5ltr, thats comes less than 200/ltr. TATA is charging 240/ltr for Castrol GTX which is only CH-4.

Castrol GTX is very ordinary in my opinion. And i would take the CH-4 spec.also with a pinch of salt.
I would always buy the Shell Helix HX-6 OR even a Valvoline all climate turbo which only meets API-CF4 and even the HP Milcy turbo.
it is unfortunate that castrol sells at a premium over excellent oils .
What you have got is good oil i guess far better than the diff. in API specs over the castrol brew.
The other option is the Mobil Delvac MX which is also a CI-4 rated. retails with distributotrs @ Rs.1600/- for a 10 lit. pack plus vat.

Gansan · 2nd November 2009, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Gansan

Today I noticed at the Shell bunk that the price of Shell Helix Ultra has come down. Now the price of 1 litre can is Rs 615.00 and so 3 litre cans should be even cheaper.

There is a correction. There seem to be two grades of Shell Helix Ultra now. The 5W40 oil still costs ~Rs 4000 for a 4 litre can, whereas there is a 15W50 grade too which sells for Rs 615.00 per litre. Anyone got details about this? And for most places with hot summers and without severe winters, the upper number is more significant than the lower one, right?

JayPrashanth · 2nd November 2009, 11:29

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Gansan, using a car engine oil in a bike is not a good idea, especially in bikes with wet clutch systems. Car and bike engine characteristics including the operating RPM range and temperatures are very different. Though if I remember correctly the HH 100 CC bikes have a dry clutch.

Cheers!

All you need to do is that the oil is Jaso-MA compliant. If it is, you can use it in motorcycles.

Cheers,

Jay

R2D2 · 2nd November 2009, 13:08

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Originally Posted by JayPrashanth

All you need to do is that the oil is Jaso-MA compliant. If it is, you can use it in motorcycles.

Yet to see car engine oils that are JASO compliant. Do you know of any?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gansan

There is a correction. There seem to be two grades of Shell Helix Ultra now. The 5W40 oil still costs ~Rs 4000 for a 4 litre can, whereas there is a 15W50 grade too which sells for Rs 615.00 per litre. Anyone got details about this? And for most places with hot summers and without severe winters, the upper number is more significant than the lower one, right?

AFAIK, in India SHU available only in 5W-40. Also, the 5w-40 4 litre can is available for Rs 2600-2750 if you go to the correct dealer. As someone advised earlier on this thread, never buy it from the petrol station. I am now using Helix Ultra in my car as that viscosity/grade has been approved by my car's mfr.

PS - As always, go by mfr recommended grades. You really dont want to experiment with engine oils.

Cheers!

yogi1771 · 2nd November 2009, 15:09

Shell Helix Ultra 15W-50 at least was available 2yrs back in Mumbai,still have the one liter can with me.

nitrous · 2nd November 2009, 15:18

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whereas there is a 15W50 grade too which sells for Rs 615.00 per litre. Anyone got details about this?

Ok, that clears it.
Shell used to sell Helix Ultra in 15W50 years back.
This was replaced all over Asia-Pacific by the 5W40.

The Rs.615 per litre pricing is because of the vintage.

27th October 2009, 00:35	#2120
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	^^^ HH 100 cc have a dry clutch?? No sire, I don't think so?!
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27th October 2009, 11:41	#2122
LionX BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cochin / Bangalore Posts: 766 Thanked: 1,204 Times	Got hold of Patronas Urania Supremo CI-4 mineral oil from JC road for my Safari. It also comes in a 7.5Ltr can that is exactly what safari needs . I paid 1450/- for 7.5ltr, thats comes less than 200/ltr. TATA is charging 240/ltr for Castrol GTX which is only CH-4.
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HappyWheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,145 Thanked: 571 Times	Good fine LionX! Guess for the next service, I know from where to procure the oil from! So, where is this shop at JC road? EDIT: JC Road as in Bangalore JC Road or is it a place at Cochin??? Last edited by HappyWheels : 27th October 2009 at 12:02.
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2nd November 2009, 15:09	#2129
yogi1771 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 697 Thanked: 16 Times	Shell Helix Ultra 15W-50 at least was available 2yrs back in Mumbai,still have the one liter can with me.
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