Team-BHP - Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

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Originally Posted by neo_trace (Post 841475)

hi
I want to install HID kit in Baleno, what are prices and what is the Brightest light (H1 to H7 ?) ? Can i get high and low beam in same xenon HID for baleno? will heat effect my light projector and i have strobes in headlights?
Hows the performance on highway at night?
thanks

well h1 or h7 is the model name not the light brightness first of all my friend!!

HID comes in different bulb depending on the sockets of the bulb in your light !!

Like if you have a double beam car like corolla then you must need a h7 and h8 for low and high beam respectively where as you have baleno there is just one reflector for high and low beam so you must need H4 HID bulb ,which has the feature of working on high and low beam too!!!

and for the fog light if you want it then you need h3 or h1 depending on the retainers !!

strobes will not be visible when these hid will be on !

It will increase your visibility and side by side it will make blind the oncomers toolol:

the price can go from 5.5k to 20k depending the company you purchase !

The best you can get the BOSCH for around 6.5k with a year warranty !!

And now for the colour of the HID it depends on the kelvins u need !

This is how it works:
4300k -yellow (the best but almost next to impossible to get these )
6000k -white (the best and available)
8000k-bluish (the visibility will not be good hen you are at a light up area)
12000k purple (just for show off, no visibility)

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Originally Posted by neo_trace (Post 841475)

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Originally Posted by smokin (Post 841510)

well h1 or h7 is the model name not the light brightness first of all my friend!!

H1, H3, H4, H7 etc are bulb type. Baleno uses H4. Brightness depends on the watts. More watts, the brighter. A 35w xenon is sufficient as they produce about 3 times the brightness compare to a 55w halogen. You can get HID kit in H4 Bi-xenon that has dual beam (Hi/Lo). However they are more expensive.

By "Projector", I suppose you mean the "Reflector". Xenon bulbs typically produces lesser heat than halogen, are much more brighter and consumes less power. So it will not effect your reflector. Projector lights are another type of lighting system that comes in high-end cars like Skoda, Mercedes etc.

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Originally Posted by kaynmantis (Post 841098)

HID kits comes in H1, H3, H4...H7 etc. H4 has Hi/Lo beam. Most projector uses single beam (some uses Bi-xenon), as projector type headlights have multiple lights and uses separate lights for Hi & Lo as oppose to single light that serve both Hi & Lo as in H4. Projectors also comes in H1, ..H4,..H7 etc.

My projector uses H7. I tried putting H4 after making modification to the H4 bulb by cutting off the edges, but the result are not good as the focal point on the reflector changes.

As you have already mentioned that it probably uses H1. I think you may not have to buy the whole kit. You can retain the ballast and buy only the Bulbs which will come much cheaper. Ballast are used for boosting the power from 12v up to something like 20,000v for starting the xenon bulbs.

Thanks for the detail. What is your advice? Should I do the modification or buy a new one as you mentioned that you tired it but the result was not good.

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Originally Posted by kaynmantis (Post 841098)

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Originally Posted by smokin (Post 841510)

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Originally Posted by kaynmantis (Post 841687)

I am really confused by the above details. Specifically its Projector that has created this confusion.

As far as my understanding are concerned:
1) Projector headlamps use H1, H4, H7, HID( i.e. Xenon bubls ) for the light source. So Projector lamps can use HID or Halogen bubls as source of light.

2) HID ( i.e. Xenon headlamps can be fitted into a car as keeping the reflectors as stock. However the reflectors might become black or yellow because of the heat generated.

3) Projector lights do not need normal reflectors as they are complete assembly and we have to just adjust the light focus and generally we have 2/3/4 screws to adjust this.

So in all, HID BULBS can be used as our normal Halogen bulbs like in Baleno, or we can go ahead and have projector headlamps with light source ranging from H1 to HID.

What is Bi-Xenon: The can have both the beams i.e. low beam and high beam lights can be operated by only one single light source and thus one sinle Projector light assembly. This type of conversion is good for Baleno, Santro, etc.
Where as for Corolla, fiesta cars we can have One projector light assembly for high beam and one for low beam.

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF MY KNOWLEDGE IS SHORT OR I AM HAVING WRONG INFORMATION.

Secondly, if some one has any information where to procure these Bosch projector lamps, then please post the link here or post the address.

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Originally Posted by aaggoswami (Post 843327)

Yupp you are right almost 99% but some points you are getting confused!!

1. WE can use any type of bulb whether it's HID or normal halogen bulb regarding their retainers and socket fitments !!! Open a bulb from your car headlight and one from fog light now there will be three or two points which help bulb to get lock in position and to retain it !!(see the pics)

If your car is baleno then only H4 bulb can be fitted not any other (H7,H3,H1)

Projector basically works best on HID's but in old cars having projectors do used halogen bulbs too!!!

2. yupp we can use HID on normal stock reflectors too but in theoretical HID are basically used with Projectors only unless the company specifies that the reflectors can be used with HID's and that too should be D2R bulbs(Discharge second generation reflection) !!!

No the reflector cant get burned (black or yellow ) with HID use!!

3. Yuppp you are right projectors itself is the assembly but if you are retro fitting in any car then you need the reflector to support the projector and to adjust the aiming too through the reflector aiming screws!!!

and for the solution YES we can use the HID in normal reflectors cars like baleno and santro !!!

BI-XENON: yupp you are absolutely right and on target for it!!

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...-page-3-a.html

See the bi-xenon set up on santro in this thread!!

Hoping now it will clear all your doubts agree:clap:

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Originally Posted by smokin (Post 843426)

First of all, thanks for giving very precise information.

1) I knew the socket ( sometimes also called base ), but thought that first let me deal with projectors!
I am yet to find the socket of My Suzuki Zeus ( motorcycle ) HS1 35/35W headlamp ( the service center does not know this ). I think that its PX43t.
Here is one other query: What is the maximum Watt bulb can I go for ? I want to change the bulb and fit in 55/60W or 60/65W M800 halogen Bulb ( 55/60W worked fine in Caliber for 1 year ). I am reluctant to open because of fairing I will have to open more than 17 screws. Googling is hopeless here.
If possible then please answer the query.

2,3) Ok I thought that the refelectors do get yellow. This happened with my spirit when I went ahead and fitted 40/45W halogen and had upgraded coil also. The reflector then truned yellowish. Thanks for upgrading me.

And the figure/illustration posted by you is good and helpful.

Actually I knew most of the things, but the general observation I took from here( and also talked with many other persons including Service advisors from Honda, Suzuki involving 2 & 4 wheelers ) is that people are really confused with HID/Projector.

Thanks to people like you who clarify.