Opel sail 1.6 mods

navin · 12th September 2005, 22:39

my wife's opel sail funnily drinks more than my RS, accelerates slower, and is lighter.

anyone who can give me a reliable and able person in the worli, santa cruz area that can look at the car and shed light on this.

fortunately the reason i bought this car still holds - ride quality. in the size class (indicar had poor fit and finish and the palio had poor ASS besides they had just discontinued their 1.6GTX).

dadudeonfire · 13th September 2005, 01:16

dude no point talking about the fe of this car....the only thing u can do i feel is get a k&n filter...anyways whats the fe like
my sail 1.4 is giving me not more than 7

viper · 13th September 2005, 09:45

Hey Navin,

Is the car a 1.6 or 1.4. Also what is the present FE that you are getting. I'll take a look into the car if you bring it to the office tomorrow and let you know if its behaving normally. We can take things from there.

Viper

navin · 13th September 2005, 10:48

it is the 1.6 (read title of post) :-) and i get an FE of 6.5-7.

My RS gives 9-10kmpl. My 9 year old Astra gives 7. Also the Sail feel mighty sluggish below 3000rpm and I hate pushing it harder as it feels like it dont like to be revved harder (too noisy).

National Garage gave it a clean chit.

thanks for the offer viper, but I dont use it other than saturdays as my wife uses it and hates anything bigger.

dadudeonfire · 13th September 2005, 11:04

mine is 1.4 and even my fe is around that much only...and viper...what do you do..i mean sme car modifications and all or just have good idea about how the car runs and what should the fe be and stuff like that

navin · 13th September 2005, 16:00

i cant understand how a 1.6L engine pushing a 1050kg car eats 30% more gas than a 1.8Turbo pushing a 1,400kg car.

deepakhon · 13th September 2005, 16:10

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Originally Posted by navin

i cant understand how a 1.6L engine pushing a 1050kg car eats 30% more gas than a 1.8Turbo pushing a 1,400kg car.

That's German Engineering for you

On the more serious note, I have heard that the Opel engine used in Sail is pretty dated.

Rtech · 13th September 2005, 16:19

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That's German Engineering for you

The engine is Australian actually .

And navin, don't expect anything better really. The lousy FE was one of the main reasons the Corsa never sold very well.

However, if you still want to get it checked out,take it to Ashdeen (Speed Demon Tuning) at Lower Parel. I would recommend you take your Astra to him as well if you ever get any work done. He does some great work on the suspension. I did mine just before I sold it (don't ask!) and it really was terrific!

dadudeonfire · 13th September 2005, 20:14

get a k&n filter and let me know if it helps...then evne ill go get 1 for my car..hehehe

navin · 14th September 2005, 12:25

Speed Demon seems like my best choice. Arent the RS and Opel both of German origin? WHy is the heavier car with a turbo engine more efficient than the lighter car with the smaller engine?

BUSA · 14th September 2005, 13:39

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WHy is the heavier car with a turbo engine more efficient than the lighter car

Turbocharging increses FE to be precise!

Check this out!!

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/showpo...0&postcount=21

navin · 14th September 2005, 15:11

thanks dude. i did not kow that. i figured given same engine design more power came from moving more air and that came from burning more fuel.

dadudeonfire · 14th September 2005, 17:07

so if i turbocharge my sail...will it increase its fe???

BUSA · 14th September 2005, 17:21

Sail wont respond well to a turbo, its usually the Lancers, Balenos and OHCs which give 100% response to turboing!

Well it may increase FE a bit but turboing is not cheap. You could plonk a 1.5 Variable Valve timed Engine with Lift Electronic Control at that price. Or you rather convert your car to LPG!

dadudeonfire · 14th September 2005, 22:03

how much does it cost and what kind of increase in bhp will i experience...

12th September 2005, 22:39	#1
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,327 Thanked: 9,521 Times	Opel sail 1.6 mods my wife's opel sail funnily drinks more than my RS, accelerates slower, and is lighter. anyone who can give me a reliable and able person in the worli, santa cruz area that can look at the car and shed light on this. fortunately the reason i bought this car still holds - ride quality. in the size class (indicar had poor fit and finish and the palio had poor ASS besides they had just discontinued their 1.6GTX).
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13th September 2005, 01:16	#2
dadudeonfire BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai - bandra Posts: 367 Thanked: Once	dude no point talking about the fe of this car....the only thing u can do i feel is get a k&n filter...anyways whats the fe like my sail 1.4 is giving me not more than 7
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13th September 2005, 09:45	#3
viper BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,773 Thanked: 20 Times	Hey Navin, Is the car a 1.6 or 1.4. Also what is the present FE that you are getting. I'll take a look into the car if you bring it to the office tomorrow and let you know if its behaving normally. We can take things from there. Viper
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13th September 2005, 10:48	#4
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,327 Thanked: 9,521 Times	it is the 1.6 (read title of post) :-) and i get an FE of 6.5-7. My RS gives 9-10kmpl. My 9 year old Astra gives 7. Also the Sail feel mighty sluggish below 3000rpm and I hate pushing it harder as it feels like it dont like to be revved harder (too noisy). National Garage gave it a clean chit. thanks for the offer viper, but I dont use it other than saturdays as my wife uses it and hates anything bigger.
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13th September 2005, 11:04	#5
dadudeonfire BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai - bandra Posts: 367 Thanked: Once	mine is 1.4 and even my fe is around that much only...and viper...what do you do..i mean sme car modifications and all or just have good idea about how the car runs and what should the fe be and stuff like that
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13th September 2005, 16:00	#6
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,327 Thanked: 9,521 Times	i cant understand how a 1.6L engine pushing a 1050kg car eats 30% more gas than a 1.8Turbo pushing a 1,400kg car.
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13th September 2005, 20:14	#9
dadudeonfire BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai - bandra Posts: 367 Thanked: Once	get a k&n filter and let me know if it helps...then evne ill go get 1 for my car..hehehe
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14th September 2005, 12:25	#10
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,327 Thanked: 9,521 Times	Speed Demon seems like my best choice. Arent the RS and Opel both of German origin? WHy is the heavier car with a turbo engine more efficient than the lighter car with the smaller engine?
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14th September 2005, 15:11	#12
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,327 Thanked: 9,521 Times	thanks dude. i did not kow that. i figured given same engine design more power came from moving more air and that came from burning more fuel.
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14th September 2005, 17:07	#13
dadudeonfire BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai - bandra Posts: 367 Thanked: Once	so if i turbocharge my sail...will it increase its fe???
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14th September 2005, 17:21	#14
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Sail wont respond well to a turbo, its usually the Lancers, Balenos and OHCs which give 100% response to turboing! Well it may increase FE a bit but turboing is not cheap. You could plonk a 1.5 Variable Valve timed Engine with Lift Electronic Control at that price. Or you rather convert your car to LPG!
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14th September 2005, 22:03	#15
dadudeonfire BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai - bandra Posts: 367 Thanked: Once	how much does it cost and what kind of increase in bhp will i experience...
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