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Mpower · 9th February 2009, 04:35

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

MS will not flake & crack due to high temperatures. The exhaust also will not have any problems with moisture as it is constantly in the company of the hottest part of the exhaust gases. More over the melting point of steel is above 1200 deg. So no problems at all.

Its not the melting point but thermal fatigue that is the issue here.

SOmehow I am skeptical about the whole header wrap thing. It has been around for a while, people have used it and now trashed it because like Sankar said, its a lot of work for something that gives little back.

Frankly even many turbo cars I see dont have the wrap.

vikram_d · 9th February 2009, 08:21

Even thermal fatigue is not an issue with MS. It expands & contracts really well. Also MS does not harden very well. So metal fatigue will not be an issue. Another thing is that MS does not retain heat for very long. It cools down a lot faster than SS. Only thing to be kept in mind while using MS is to use seamless tubes and not the ones with seams until & unless the seamed tubed is made by either SAIL or Tata. These are good tubes.

crazydiablo · 9th February 2009, 14:22

Will go in for SGP brake pads. Stage 2 clutch will be too much in the city I guess. Wifey also sometimes drives the car in mileage mode, so if the clutch is too hard then it will be difficult. I have not experienced any performance clutch so dont really know how hard its gonna be.

Header wrap is a very debatable topic. I have put it so now I will have an answer very soon. Initial results are very pleasing. Longevity of the headers is something I have to test and see.

Shankar, dont expect any bhp numbers. All you will feel or all I felt was my bottom end cleaning up. Smoothening up of the delivery. This on NA setup car, I dont know if you can feel anything on the Kari.

vikram_d · 9th February 2009, 14:49

I would not recommend a Stage 2 clutch for city driving. I had them on my car and they were a royal pain in the backside in bumper to bumper city driving.

crazydiablo · 9th February 2009, 16:27

Exactly my point. So I need to find prices for SGP clutch and an Exedy Stage 1 clutch and then take a toss.

vikram_d · 9th February 2009, 17:24

Exedy Stage 1 is between 8 - 10k I think.

crazydiablo · 15th February 2009, 09:10

Thanks vikram, I guess I will go for an Exedy. What if I buy an SGP and it does not hold.

By the way, just a random pic from my shelf, what goes into the car for making her look good

Sankar · 15th February 2009, 09:19

You got a nice collection there

Samurai · 15th February 2009, 09:37

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Originally Posted by crazydiablo

By the way, just a random pic from my shelf, what goes into the car for making her look good

Aaaggrrr! Even my bathroom shelf doesn't hold half as many beauty care products.

I never did anything beyond the yearly teflon coat, daily wipe and weekly wash, why don't you post a current photograph.

crazydiablo · 15th February 2009, 10:45

Thanks guys, its like her makeup kit.

I would love to post a pic, but unfortunately my photography skills nor my camera is as good as yours! When someone does a photoshoot next time in bangalore, i would love to join in. Nothing much has changed cosmetically apart from the seats that are like this now (thanks to blueraven):

Ricky_63 · 15th February 2009, 10:55

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Originally Posted by crazydiablo

Thanks vikram, I guess I will go for an Exedy. What if I buy an SGP and it does not hold.

By the way, just a random pic from my shelf, what goes into the car for making her look good

That is some pampering kit for your car

Wow you really like to do her up - eh ??

Cheers

mclaren1885 · 16th February 2009, 13:03

I had the chance to drive this car a couple of weeks back. Here is my take.

I was impressed with the way the car idled inspite of running an aftermarket cam and a non-adjustable cam gear. It idled at 750 rpm without a hiccup. Something that my car doesn't.

The engine is quite responsive and smooth. Moreover the setup feels very linear. Car feels really nice to drive around town and best part is it runs on pump gas without a knock or any such thing. Couldn't get to see the car perform at redline in 3rd and 4th as the clutch started to slip. So Mohit, get a new clutch asap. I would love the drive the car once again.

Loved the display that shows the AFR. All in all, Ron has done a good job on this car.

crazydiablo · 17th February 2009, 15:09

Thanks man, one of the design criteria was that the car should not have any idling issues. So yeah its a solid idle at 750 (which is also stock) without any issues.

Clutch should be sorted out this weekend. Clutch, new brake pads and some minor stuff going in most probably this saturday. Will keep this thread updated on the after effects.

AFR display is slick to say the least.

ScarySkulls · 17th February 2009, 20:04

I am waiting for the update, Mohith. Itching hard not to spill any beans before it actually happens. LOL

crazydiablo · 22nd February 2009, 17:18

Got some stuff thats going to go into the car this week. The first this that gives up in a tuned car is the clutch, so I hope this new one holds for some time. Thanks to Mclaren1885 for helping me out with the clutch.

Now for top it off, its more power but of a different variety. Stopping Power! So for more stopping power I got some nice Roesch Kevlar carbon pads for the front. Lets see how these hold up.

About the pads "XC-4 compounds have been developed exclusively for road use. These materials offer ultra-silent operation and immediate response without pre-heating but, at the same time, a higher coefficient of friction for superior braking power, excellent resistance to high temperatures and a longer service life than normal materials"

9th February 2009, 08:21	#107
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,188 Times	Even thermal fatigue is not an issue with MS. It expands & contracts really well. Also MS does not harden very well. So metal fatigue will not be an issue. Another thing is that MS does not retain heat for very long. It cools down a lot faster than SS. Only thing to be kept in mind while using MS is to use seamless tubes and not the ones with seams until & unless the seamed tubed is made by either SAIL or Tata. These are good tubes.
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9th February 2009, 14:22	#108
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Will go in for SGP brake pads. Stage 2 clutch will be too much in the city I guess. Wifey also sometimes drives the car in mileage mode, so if the clutch is too hard then it will be difficult. I have not experienced any performance clutch so dont really know how hard its gonna be. Header wrap is a very debatable topic. I have put it so now I will have an answer very soon. Initial results are very pleasing. Longevity of the headers is something I have to test and see. Shankar, dont expect any bhp numbers. All you will feel or all I felt was my bottom end cleaning up. Smoothening up of the delivery. This on NA setup car, I dont know if you can feel anything on the Kari.
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9th February 2009, 14:49	#109
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,188 Times	I would not recommend a Stage 2 clutch for city driving. I had them on my car and they were a royal pain in the backside in bumper to bumper city driving.
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9th February 2009, 16:27	#110
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Exactly my point. So I need to find prices for SGP clutch and an Exedy Stage 1 clutch and then take a toss.
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9th February 2009, 17:24	#111
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,188 Times	Exedy Stage 1 is between 8 - 10k I think.
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15th February 2009, 09:10	#112
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Thanks vikram, I guess I will go for an Exedy. What if I buy an SGP and it does not hold. By the way, just a random pic from my shelf, what goes into the car for making her look good Attached Thumbnails
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15th February 2009, 09:19	#113
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,780 Thanked: 9,233 Times	You got a nice collection there
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15th February 2009, 10:45	#115
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Thanks guys, its like her makeup kit. I would love to post a pic, but unfortunately my photography skills nor my camera is as good as yours! When someone does a photoshoot next time in bangalore, i would love to join in. Nothing much has changed cosmetically apart from the seats that are like this now (thanks to blueraven): Attached Thumbnails Last edited by crazydiablo : 15th February 2009 at 10:47.
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16th February 2009, 13:03	#117
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 46 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	I had the chance to drive this car a couple of weeks back. Here is my take. I was impressed with the way the car idled inspite of running an aftermarket cam and a non-adjustable cam gear. It idled at 750 rpm without a hiccup. Something that my car doesn't. The engine is quite responsive and smooth. Moreover the setup feels very linear. Car feels really nice to drive around town and best part is it runs on pump gas without a knock or any such thing. Couldn't get to see the car perform at redline in 3rd and 4th as the clutch started to slip. So Mohit, get a new clutch asap. I would love the drive the car once again. Loved the display that shows the AFR. All in all, Ron has done a good job on this car.
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17th February 2009, 15:09	#118
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Thanks man, one of the design criteria was that the car should not have any idling issues. So yeah its a solid idle at 750 (which is also stock) without any issues. Clutch should be sorted out this weekend. Clutch, new brake pads and some minor stuff going in most probably this saturday. Will keep this thread updated on the after effects. AFR display is slick to say the least.
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17th February 2009, 20:04	#119
ScarySkulls BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 623 Thanked: 36 Times	I am waiting for the update, Mohith. Itching hard not to spill any beans before it actually happens. LOL
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22nd February 2009, 17:18	#120
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Got some stuff thats going to go into the car this week. The first this that gives up in a tuned car is the clutch, so I hope this new one holds for some time. Thanks to Mclaren1885 for helping me out with the clutch. Now for top it off, its more power but of a different variety. Stopping Power! So for more stopping power I got some nice Roesch Kevlar carbon pads for the front. Lets see how these hold up. About the pads "XC-4 compounds have been developed exclusively for road use. These materials offer ultra-silent operation and immediate response without pre-heating but, at the same time, a higher coefficient of friction for superior braking power, excellent resistance to high temperatures and a longer service life than normal materials" Attached Thumbnails
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