Lancer Cedia on EVO engine?

pandabear · 21st June 2006, 13:24

read somewhere in BSMotoring, that the Cedia has an engine based on EVO architecture but is heavily detuned to achieve lower BHP. Is it possible to buy the Cedia and increase the performance / BHP, so that it can match the EVO? How is it possible to increase the BHP so much? Well, I undestand that some kits eg: TRIPHASE/Filters etc are available comtributing to a marginal increase, but how to increase the BHP say 3 times... Is it possible...

Sankar · 21st June 2006, 13:54

Even if the architecture is same a lot of other things could differ. Like- camshaft & valve timings, ecu, compression ratio, cylinder head, pistons, crankshaft and basically almost all the engine internals.

It could be based on the same architecture because EVO engine is 1997cc and Cedia is 1999cc. It doesn't mean they share the same internals.

diven_b · 21st June 2006, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Sankar

Even if the architecture is same a lot of other things could differ. Like- camshaft & valve timings, ecu, compression ratio, cylinder head, pistons, crankshaft and basically almost all the engine internals.

It could be based on the same architecture because EVO engine is 1997cc and Cedia is 1999cc. It doesn't mean they share the same internals.

however...the indian rally spec cedia is tuned to 160 bhp,naturally aspirated...

Boom Shiva · 21st June 2006, 14:15

Diven could you give some more details? I've never heard of this rally spec Cedia. Sounds pretty good. What's the cost etc?

Rtech · 21st June 2006, 14:22

Its just marketing hype. There is not much common between the two engines except for the Mitsubishi badge.

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however...the indian rally spec cedia is tuned to 160 bhp,naturally aspirated...

Strange...if that were the case, you would imagine the big teams would use them instead of the current crop of Balenos and Fiesta's.

diven_b · 21st June 2006, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva

Diven could you give some more details? I've never heard of this rally spec Cedia. Sounds pretty good. What's the cost etc?

i read about it in aci couple of months ago....and what i meant was,the cedia for the indian national rally championship.not fot road use

diven_b · 21st June 2006, 14:37

AUTOCAR..may 2006..page no.161...and it says 165bhp

Boom Shiva · 21st June 2006, 15:08

So you could probably get a Cedia, dump in a race dynamics type standalone ECU for 30-35k, and get 165hp? Sweet. You could bitchslap an RS with it.

Sankar · 21st June 2006, 15:14

Well, the Cedia does make 115BHP in detuned form we are getting here and 125 BHP in normal state of tune. So getting another 40BHP more won't be too difficult for the teams with all the money they put into developing. But the Evo engine is making 280+BHP, that's 120BHP more than the rally prepped Cedia engine, but of course it's turboed

RTech, there could be some similarity between the two engine, maybe some similarities in the block. I suspect there is because one is 1997cc and the other 1999cc. And it doesn't mean all parts could be interchangeable, some key components could infact. And maybe the block would be robust enough to handle the stress and strain if you soup it up, but pistons, rods, crank needs changing. And everything is in the (cyl) head. So when they say it's based on the same architecture it's a marketing gimmick and won't mean much to a regular customer.

Wagon R and Alto are based on the same platform, the CRV and the Civic are based on the same platform and they're different cars. It's not benefiting the user, the user can't make one to another (well it's not impossible but who'd want to), the real benefactor is the company they can reduce costs.

Just like that here it's easy for the company to cut costs by producing two different engines with the same architecture. Cedia engine is not even close to an Evo engine.

islero · 21st June 2006, 15:36

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Originally Posted by diven_b

however...the indian rally spec cedia is tuned to 160 bhp,naturally aspirated...

Which means the engine will be kinda equivalent to the Lancer Ralliart sold in the US, which is also a Cedia.

Which means more modifications are possible.....

aZa · 21st June 2006, 17:34

Yep the RalliART version sold abroad has the same CS7A chassis but with a 2.4L MIVEC 4G69 engine, This engine in its stock form pumps out around 160hp! The 2.0L Engine that we get here, is detuned from 125hp to 115hp both the engines are available abroad so kits and upgrades should be easily available if u have the money that is.

pandabear · 21st June 2006, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Sankar

Even if the architecture is same a lot of other things could differ. Like- camshaft & valve timings, ecu, compression ratio, cylinder head, pistons, crankshaft and basically almost all the engine internals.

Makes sense now!!!

devarshi84 · 21st June 2006, 20:58

THe lancer cedia is based on the EVo platform- yes.

BUt the mods are So extreme that the two cars should be considered different. for eg. cedia is FWD while EVO is not. better Chassis and suspension, recaro seats, engine ECU, etc etc etc.

the engine used is also the same. Hence the reason why you cannot extract as much power from a corolla, Elantra, optra as such. Civics still makes some good tuner cars and is comparable. But there are n number of mods and parts available for the lancer platform. Search the market and you will be able to Make cedia go as faster as you want.

The 2.4 lts Mivec engine generates 162hp for the Lancer ralliart in US. SHould be the same engine the Indian rallies will be using. But is there a 2.4 ltr class et al? I wonder why HM didnt bring this one to compete with Skoda RS.

Mpower · 21st June 2006, 21:03

THe EVO engine is a 4G63.

Whats the engine code on the Indian Cedia?

blueraven316 · 22nd June 2006, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva

So you could probably get a Cedia, dump in a race dynamics type standalone ECU for 30-35k, and get 165hp? Sweet. You could bitchslap an RS with it.

Well If it comes to an ECU remap, even an RS has lots of scope, it can go upto 235 Bhp easily, and that most of us know by now.
But yeah, because of it's less weight the Lancer with a modded ECU and Genuine 165 horses can maybe chew up a stock RS !

21st June 2006, 13:24	#1
pandabear BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: TN38 Posts: 260 Thanked: 892 Times	Lancer Cedia on EVO engine? read somewhere in BSMotoring, that the Cedia has an engine based on EVO architecture but is heavily detuned to achieve lower BHP. Is it possible to buy the Cedia and increase the performance / BHP, so that it can match the EVO? How is it possible to increase the BHP so much? Well, I undestand that some kits eg: TRIPHASE/Filters etc are available comtributing to a marginal increase, but how to increase the BHP say 3 times... Is it possible...
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21st June 2006, 13:54	#2
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,784 Thanked: 9,251 Times	Even if the architecture is same a lot of other things could differ. Like- camshaft & valve timings, ecu, compression ratio, cylinder head, pistons, crankshaft and basically almost all the engine internals. It could be based on the same architecture because EVO engine is 1997cc and Cedia is 1999cc. It doesn't mean they share the same internals.
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21st June 2006, 14:15	#4
Boom Shiva BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,044 Thanked: 19 Times	Diven could you give some more details? I've never heard of this rally spec Cedia. Sounds pretty good. What's the cost etc?
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21st June 2006, 14:37	#7
diven_b BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 213 Thanked: Once View My Garage	AUTOCAR..may 2006..page no.161...and it says 165bhp
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21st June 2006, 15:08	#8
Boom Shiva BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,044 Thanked: 19 Times	So you could probably get a Cedia, dump in a race dynamics type standalone ECU for 30-35k, and get 165hp? Sweet. You could bitchslap an RS with it.
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21st June 2006, 15:14	#9
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,784 Thanked: 9,251 Times	Well, the Cedia does make 115BHP in detuned form we are getting here and 125 BHP in normal state of tune. So getting another 40BHP more won't be too difficult for the teams with all the money they put into developing. But the Evo engine is making 280+BHP, that's 120BHP more than the rally prepped Cedia engine, but of course it's turboed RTech, there could be some similarity between the two engine, maybe some similarities in the block. I suspect there is because one is 1997cc and the other 1999cc. And it doesn't mean all parts could be interchangeable, some key components could infact. And maybe the block would be robust enough to handle the stress and strain if you soup it up, but pistons, rods, crank needs changing. And everything is in the (cyl) head. So when they say it's based on the same architecture it's a marketing gimmick and won't mean much to a regular customer. Wagon R and Alto are based on the same platform, the CRV and the Civic are based on the same platform and they're different cars. It's not benefiting the user, the user can't make one to another (well it's not impossible but who'd want to), the real benefactor is the company they can reduce costs. Just like that here it's easy for the company to cut costs by producing two different engines with the same architecture. Cedia engine is not even close to an Evo engine.
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21st June 2006, 17:34	#11
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 25 Times View My Garage	Yep the RalliART version sold abroad has the same CS7A chassis but with a 2.4L MIVEC 4G69 engine, This engine in its stock form pumps out around 160hp! The 2.0L Engine that we get here, is detuned from 125hp to 115hp both the engines are available abroad so kits and upgrades should be easily available if u have the money that is.
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21st June 2006, 20:58	#13
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 213 Times View My Garage	THe lancer cedia is based on the EVo platform- yes. BUt the mods are So extreme that the two cars should be considered different. for eg. cedia is FWD while EVO is not. better Chassis and suspension, recaro seats, engine ECU, etc etc etc. the engine used is also the same. Hence the reason why you cannot extract as much power from a corolla, Elantra, optra as such. Civics still makes some good tuner cars and is comparable. But there are n number of mods and parts available for the lancer platform. Search the market and you will be able to Make cedia go as faster as you want. The 2.4 lts Mivec engine generates 162hp for the Lancer ralliart in US. SHould be the same engine the Indian rallies will be using. But is there a 2.4 ltr class et al? I wonder why HM didnt bring this one to compete with Skoda RS.
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21st June 2006, 21:03	#14
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,399 Thanked: 1,735 Times View My Garage	THe EVO engine is a 4G63. Whats the engine code on the Indian Cedia?
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