[moto_rrevver]

Bursting all the myths regarding CNG conversion

Hello Bhpians,

If you are not interested in long reading session, and just want the summary of the post, just go through the points in bold.

CNG conversion is 100% safe if done by a reputed and licensed dealer.

Introduction

First of all, I would like to state that, I am a person who follows the user manual of anything religiously, not only cars and bikes, literally every equipment. If I had to opt for a new vehicle, I would definitely go for factory fitted CNG, as what needs to be done is clearly mentioned in the user manual and I don't need to worry about the parts and replacement intervals, but this is not the case, as I own a pre-owned SX4 petrol vxi 2008 and as soon as I bought it with 76000 km on the ODO, I did the CNG conversion after driving it for merely 1000 km and since then, I have driven it around 50k km on CNG with 0 issues and no power drop. I see myself as a technically sound person and have been doing DIY since my childhood, I am not scared of reading long research papers containing various technical terms, and I do a lot of reading in the fields of my interest including Automobile, so please trust me as everything I am writing is well researched and I personally practice the same.

Choosing a car-
If getting a new vehicle and your requirement is for CNG, please go for factory fitted CNG cars. If you are in the market for pre-owned CNG car, get a factory fitted pre-owned, less driven CNG car. If you are planning to buy a pre-owned car with retro fitted CNG kit, stop then and there, it is a very bad idea trust me. If you are planning to buy a pre-owned petrol car and want to get CNG retro fitted, google the models which are CNG friendly, reliable and spare parts availability is not an issue, after buying, drive the car at least for 2K km to test engine durability, before CNG conversion, as CNG conversion is expensive and if the engine is already in bad condition there is no point spending extra on CNG kit. If you are planning to convert your already owned petrol car due to high fuel costs these days, please do your research and ask few people owning the same model with CNG conversion, whether it is reliable after CNG conversion or not, if not, please drop the idea.

Myths and reality

1. Reduce oil change intervals -
Please use fully synthetic oil from any reputed manufacturer and use the same grade as mentioned in the manual, change every 8K km.
It is kind of true but not only for CNG, even for petrol and diesel vehicles. Get regular oil change done at every 8K km, this will improve the longevity of the engine, this has nothing to do with CNG conversion, some might say that CNG burns hotter than petrol, which is true, but diesel also runs hotter, and almost all the engine oils available in market are compatible with all 3 fuel types, so they are designed to withstand heat, trust the engineers and don't worry about it.

2. Replacing air filter at every periodic service -
Clean every 4K km, replace every 16K km, use OEM filters only.
If you ask any CNG fitment guy, they will suggest you to replace it at every service, simply not required. Please check any user manual of any factory fitter CNG vehicle, in most cases you will find the replacement interval same as the pure petrol model of the same car. The important thing to note here is, it should be clean and the car should breathe without any issue. My suggestion - If it is cloth based, clean it at your home gently with soap water every 4k km, and if it is paper based get it air pressure cleaned at any mechanic shop, it will not take more than 10 min and 50 bucks. Replace it at every 2nd oil change interval, which is 16K km.

3. Replacing spark plugs at every periodic service and adjusting gaps-
Use NGK plugs, don't go for iridium, platinum or silver plugs, change every 16K km, take the temperature rating seriously.
Please don't waste your money on expensive spark plugs and please don't replace before 16K km, the whole purpose of driving a CNG vehicle is reducing running cost, so please use it at least for 2 oil change cycles. Take the heat range seriously, eg.- If the model name is BKR6E, '6' is the temperature reading, don't go for 5, don't go for 7, the shop owner may argue this point, simply don't listen, use the model specified in your user manual. No need to adjust the gap of a perfectly new spark plug, don't worry if the mechanic tells you that your ignition coil will burn, it will not burn please trust me, stick to the gap suggested in your manual.

4. Low pressure filter-
Please use it, it costs 500 bucks (Lovato low pressure filter) and keep replacement interval at 16K km. If it is useless why factory fitted CNG cars comes fitted with these filters? Please ask this to yourself.
This is a controversial topic, so please listen to me before making any opinion. Compressor oil in CNG pumps can enter in your CNG tank if the CNG pump is not maintained, and if compressor oil is in your tank, it will eventually enter your engine through the injectors, the oil entering your engine is not a big deal, as it will burn in the combustion process and it will be very negligible in quantity, but the injectors will clog eventually, which will reduce the power and eventually fail (When people say CNG engine loose power after few thousand kilometers, this is what actually happens and this is preventable, just use the low pressure filter). The CNG injectors are not cleanable like petrol injectors, you will have to change the injector rail as it is not sold separately, and it is expensive. If you are convinced that this is waste of money, just think it as an insurance for your injectors and get it fitted, as it is not going to harm anything.

5. Driving habits-
If you are reading this thread, your sole purpose is to reduce the running cost, so please don't drive like lunatics, driving on higher RPM will increase your running cost drastically, keep the RPM low, drive sanely in city, on highways don't go beyond 90kmph. The engine of your car is designed to run with petrol and trying to run it using CNG is a big change for the engine. Let me explain this in simple words, just imagine your petrol car is tested to run on 5000 RPM continuously for several hours, without any issues, the engine internals and cooling system is designed for that much load and temperature and let the temperature be "X degrees", if you drive the car on CNG at same 5000 RPM the temperature might go beyond "X degrees" which is not good for the engine components and cooling system, but if you will run the engine at 2500 to 3000 RPM on CNG the temperature will not exceed "X degrees" and this will increase the life of your engine significantly.

5. Starting the car on CNG-
Start the car on CNG when engine is cold, run for at least 2 km on petrol before switching it to CNG mode, also try to drive on petrol for 2km before switching of the engine for long interval, it is not a myth, it is important for the longevity of your engine valves.

[Shaktiman]

Originally Posted by moto_rrevver

Bursting all the myths regarding CNG conversion

5. Starting the car on CNG-
Start the car on CNG when engine is cold, run for at least 2 km on petrol before switching it to CNG mode, also try to drive on petrol for 2km before switching of the engine for long interval, it is not a myth, it is important for the longevity of your engine valves.

I think you meant to say that the car should be cold-started in Petrol and later switch to CNG.

[moto_rrevver]

Originally Posted by Shaktiman

I think you meant to say that the car should be cold-started in Petrol and later switch to CNG.

Thanks for the correction.

[prince707]

Hi BHPians

I am contemplating adding an aftermarket CNG Kit in future to my Honda Jazz CVT 2016 Model. Would it be a good idea? How does the Honda Jazz iVTEC 1.2L engine respond to aftermarket CNG kits?

I am highly impressed by the boot space management achieved by Tata Motors with their twin cylinder design in their iCNG models. Has this twin CNG cylinder design been replicated by any aftermarket players? or is there any plan to do so in the future? I don't want to let go of the space in my Jazz which is one of its USPs

[moto_rrevver]

Originally Posted by prince707

Hi BHPians

I am contemplating adding an aftermarket CNG Kit in future to my Honda Jazz CVT 2016 Model. Would it be a good idea? How does the Honda Jazz iVTEC 1.2L engine respond to aftermarket CNG kits?

I am highly impressed by the boot space management achieved by Tata Motors with their twin cylinder design in their iCNG models. Has this twin CNG cylinder design been replicated by any aftermarket players? or is there any plan to do so in the future? I don't want to let go of the space in my Jazz which is one of its USPs

Hello Prince,

Answering your first question, honda vtec engines are very much compatible with the after market cng kits, use a good quality sequential kit with low pressure filter and get it fitted by a reputed dealer, hopefully you will have a trouble free ownership experience.

Coming to your second question. No, you can't get the dual cylinder setup on your Jazz like Tata, reason being, Tata has flatten the area below the boot (spare tyre space) to accommodate 2 small cylinders, for your Jazz, that space is designed for spare tyre and can't accommodate cng cylinders.
1 more factor to consider, RTO has a set rules and protocols for CNG fitment, even if you try and get successful in accommodating 2 small cylinders below the boot, the rto will reject the design and it will never get registered on rc as a bi-fuel car.

[Guardian44]

So i have recently fitted aftermarket cng on my 2010 Corolla Altis 1.8. On a full tank my car barely drives 80kms. I have checked for leakage twice at the fitment center but there are no leakages found. Have also calibrated CNG setting again. But still getting same mileage. The car has limited running(400-500km per month), gets taken out only on weekends.

What could be the issue here?

CNG Details:
Mijo Sequential Kit(New)
14 Kg Tank(Cng tops at 8.5 to 9kg)

[Guardian44]

Originally Posted by Guardian44

So i have recently fitted aftermarket cng on my 2010 Corolla Altis 1.8. On a full tank my car barely drives 80kms. I have checked for leakage twice at the fitment center but there are no leakages found. Have also calibrated CNG setting again. But still getting same mileage. The car has limited running(400-500km per month), gets taken out only on weekends.

What could be the issue here?

CNG Details:
Motozen* Sequential Kit(New)
14 Kg Tank(Cng tops at 8.5 to 9kg)

Additional details:
Had done a major service before installing CNG
Oils/Filters changed,Sparkplug changed, throttle body & Injector cleaned

[mercedised]

Originally Posted by Guardian44

So i have recently fitted aftermarket cng on my 2010 Corolla Altis 1.8. On a full tank my car barely drives 80kms. I have checked for leakage twice at the fitment center but there are no leakages found. Have also calibrated CNG setting again. But still getting same mileage. The car has limited running(400-500km per month), gets taken out only on weekends.

What could be the issue here?

CNG Details:
Mijo Sequential Kit(New)
14 Kg Tank(Cng tops at 8.5 to 9kg)

My Honda City Automatic gives me mileage of 100-120 km on full tank in city and 180-200 kms on highway. So, anywhere around 90-100 kms should be satisfactory for a 1.8L engine.

[TB16]

Originally Posted by Guardian44

So i have recently fitted aftermarket cng on my 2010 Corolla Altis 1.8. On a full tank my car barely drives 80kms.

I feel 80 km is too less on a tank full. I have a Kizashi (2.4 NA) which easily give 160 km (sometimes even more). Even if you're gunning, it should cross 100 km on a tank full. Please get it checked or try altering your driving style a little bit.

[self_driven]

Originally Posted by Guardian44

Additional details:
Had done a major service before installing CNG
Oils/Filters changed,Sparkplug changed, throttle body & Injector cleaned

What are the driving conditions like? Big petrol engines can be gas guzzlers in heavy traffic situations.

Also, how much FE were you getting on petrol? Most cars will easily return 25-50% better figures on CNG in any situation, unless the installer has messed up somewhere or the CNG dispenser is rigged. You might have to change both, but start with the latter.

[Guardian44]

Originally Posted by self_driven

What are the driving conditions like? Big petrol engines can be gas guzzlers in heavy traffic situations.

Also, how much FE were you getting on petrol? Most cars will easily return 25-50% better figures on CNG in any situation, unless the installer has messed up somewhere or the CNG dispenser is rigged. You might have to change both, but start with the latter.

Driving Conditions are mostly driven in city with Moderate Traffic. On Petrol i used to get 7-8kmpl.

[self_driven]

Originally Posted by Guardian44

Driving Conditions are mostly driven in city with Moderate Traffic. On Petrol i used to get 7-8kmpl.

Not the best conditions to extract good mileage but less than 10 km/kg is definitely concerning. I'd suggest another thorough check for leakages. In my previous car (Swift), the reducer had a slight leakage which worsened over time. There was no gas smell but the range eventually dropped to 130-40 km in city driving. Most installers checked around the connections with soapy water but in my case the leak was on the reducer itself, that too on the underside, so it went unnoticed for a while.

I confirmed the leak by letting the car sit idle for 3-4 days and taking note of before and after pressure gauge readings. Do keep in mind that meter readings can be very inconsistent at times, for eg. pressure drops by 20-30 bar during night time, or when the gas cools down few hours after refill. I filled the car early morning and noted the pressure at night time when the gas is cold. IIRC the variation was quite high in my car, around 50-60 bar drop in 4 days of no use.