[vantheman5211]

Originally Posted by Sahil

You basically just want all of us to agree with you on the Alfa so you can take the emotional reason to be a logical one
Def go with the Alfa, at this point if you buy any of the others, you will burn everytime an Alfa passes by

You exposed my devilish plan to get validation.

Originally Posted by GTO

As sexy as the Giulia is, it would be a nightmare to own. Among the most unreliable cars on sale in America today.



Read this & this.

I understand that one has to make a certain compromise in reliability (vs Japanese cars) with a European model, but this is just too much. I've only read horror stories on the Alfa.

The 3-Series is my pick from the list. You could also wait for the all-new generation 3-Series coming in 2018. Buy a cheap car for your needs till then.

If you are open to pre-owned, you are in a country which has a dream market. For 50k, you could get a pre-owned V8 sedan or sports car that's certified, with warranty & all.

Thanks for chiming in, GTO. Everyone in my office (mostly born, and raised in US), agree that Alfa Romeo makes no sense. We have an internal community called "recovering alfaholics". It includes people who went for the Alfa, got burnt, and are now driving Lexus, or the German 3. In fact, my manager who has a 5 series cannot even understand my rationality in even considering the Giulia. He is like "dude, just get the corporate lease on a 3 series or something."

The reason I did not start looking for a used car when I got here was simply because I was looking something long term, and felt I had a decent sized budget to get a new car. Also, the options were so many that I maybe shirked away from putting in work, and time to search some good local options.

Also, as I was reading through my thread, I see that I have excluded Mercedes altogether. The only reason here is that they have not responded to my calls at all .

[Doge]

There are many Gulia's here and they all seem to be running well, Alfa's in Italy are pretty reliable, a few people around me own 100K kilometers done Alfa Romeos that are running strong but for some reason they have a bad rep everywhere else.
I would personally go for the Jag if the Gulia's reliability is that poor as Gto reported.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by GTO

If you are open to pre-owned, you are in a country which has a dream market. For 50k, you could get a pre-owned V8 sedan or sports car that's certified, with warranty & all.

Something you should seriously consider!

Let’s face it with the exception of the Alfa the others are more or less run of the mill cars. Perfectly fine to drive, but nothing special. The Alfa is, but is most likely a royal PIA to own.

Alfa Romeo left the USA in ’95 and only returned a few years ago. The Gulia is its first main stream car. And there aren’t that many AR dealers around in the USA. About 80 or so I believe. That’s very little for this large a country. And they never stock any parts (at least not so in Europe). So when it breaks down, and it will, you will find yourself waiting for parts.

If you go pre-owned, for 50K you could look at very different Jaguars, BMWs and Audi’s and get something really special! And depreciation is a whole lot less too!

Jeroen

[akshay4587]

Originally Posted by Doge

There are many Gulia's here and they all seem to be running well, Alfa's in Italy are pretty reliable, a few people around me own 100K kilometers done Alfa Romeos that are running strong but for some reason they have a bad rep everywhere else.
I would personally go for the Jag if the Gulia's reliability is that poor as Gto reported.

Originally Posted by Jeroen

Something you should seriously consider!

Let’s face it with the exception of the Alfa the others are more or less run of the mill cars. Perfectly fine to drive, but nothing special. The Alfa is, but is most likely a royal PIA to own.

Alfa Romeo left the USA in ’95 and only returned a few years ago. The Gulia is its first main stream car. And there aren’t that many AR dealers around in the USA. About 80 or so I believe. That’s very little for this large a country. And they never stock any parts (at least not so in Europe). So when it breaks down, and it will, you will find yourself waiting for parts.

If you go pre-owned, for 50K you could look at very different Jaguars, BMWs and Audi’s and get something really special! And depreciation is a whole lot less too!

Jeroen

7 Months into the Alfa Romeo Clan; My 159 has over 150K kms on its clock.
During my ownership period i havent faced a single issue yet.
159's and later Alfa's have a decent reliability record, pretty sure its the same for the Giulia;
I might pick one, if i stick around down under.

[extreme_torque]

I was in the same dilemma when it was time to move up the food chain and buy my last internal combustion engined car because in 5 years time, electric cars would be common place.

I would straight away rule out the Audi primarily because it is a bit too germanic, a bit too bland and dare I say generic. I do not like the colour of the interiors and I just do not like the idea of a front wheel drive luxury sedan. I don't know what engine options it comes with in the US but in Australia it starts with a 1.4 turbo four from the Golf! No thanks!

BMW 3 series is nice but is cramped and I do not like the interiors. Almost everything is an optional extra in the form of option packs. To be honest I don't see what is the fuss with the 3 series being the best sports saloon when you are only going to be buying the 320d or 320i. Perhaps an M3 but 3 series was ruled out for being cramped and not special enough.

Jaguar XE has horrible interior quality and no matter how good it drove, I cannot live with that interior quality in a supposedly luxury sedan. My current car at the time, a 2016 Mazda 3 SP25 GT had much better interior quality fixtures and fitting. I was also disappointed with the 13 speaker Meridian sound system. The mids and high were good enough but there was absolutely no base what so ever. Mazda again had a much better audio with its 9 speaker Bose Audio.

I would look at Alfa seriously because it is purely a heart over head choice. The car industry is going to change from what we know it today and in not too distant a future. The Alfa has character and soul and it looks absolutely smashing especially with big rims.

As for me, I went for the underdog, the Infiniti Q50. It looks the part (much better than the Lexus IS) and has lovely interiors. The technology is even more than the Germans and has a great 14 speaker Bose Audio system too in the top end variant. I am not sure if you have looked at one, but I would recommend checking it out before you commit to a purchase. You could get one with the 3.0 litre twin turbo petrol which is almost M3 fast and relatively cheap.

[budgam.boonyi]

Just a thought, if you aren't too worried about the badge on the bonnet, you might also what to consider the Genesis G80, there might be some deals on it right now. It is not the most refined or as thrilling to drive as other luxury brands but it is getting some of the highest satisfaction ratings on Consumer Reports and its in a segment above the others with more room and a starting price of $50,000 with lots of standard features (without discounts), not to mention reliability.

Wild Card Entry, a fully loaded Kia Stinger. At-least go for a test drive, would be fun!

[vantheman5211]

Hey all, thanks for all your comments. Work got a hold of me for the past couple of weeks, and wasn't able to respond. I made up my mind for the Alfa, only to be shot down for 0 discounts by the dealership.

Well, their loss was someone else's gain, as I got a 2018 Mustang with 310 horses on tap. I just stopped for a test drive, and 20 minutes later I owned one. -

[karan561]

Originally Posted by vantheman5211

Well, their loss was someone else's gain, as I got a 2018 Mustang with 310 horses on tap. I just stopped for a test drive, and 20 minutes later I owned one. -

Congrats on buying the 4cyl turbo Mustang in America

Enjoy

[vantheman5211]

I think I should add that I may still go for the Alfa Romeo Giulia on a lease if they come to their senses and start providing some discounts. Probably around June I guess.

The great thing about this one was that it didn’t exhaust my budget, and I even got all the maintainence included in for the next 5 years! Also, it looks like a million bucks.

[karan561]

Originally Posted by vantheman5211

I think I should add that I may still go for the Alfa Romeo Giulia on a lease if they come to their senses and start providing some discounts.

Thats great news

The great thing about this one was that it didn’t exhaust my budget, and I even got all the maintainence included in for the next 5 years! Also, it looks like a million bucks.

Buying the ECOBOOST is definitely (faster) better than the V6