Safari EX 4x4 120,000 km update

Torqy · 11th August 2009, 15:16

@tsk1979, you have patience like HIMALAYAS!!
I bow to that.

Jaggu · 11th August 2009, 16:21

Is there any air leak (minor) happening somewhere in the fuel rail/injector/EGR/Turbo? can this be ruled out?

tsk1979 · 11th August 2009, 20:04

That was checked. Infact all engine parameters were checked. Everything is in the limit, but some things are near limit. So no service light will come.
He has adjusted a few things. i have to report tomorrow morning cold start.
MEanwhile we went on a long drive and told him about hard clutch, and rough gearshift.
So he recommended clutch change.

. Hopefully with that all problems of rough gearshift and hard clutch should go away
So tomorrow that job will be done, and idle oscillating issue will be looked at if its still there.
He has also asked dealership for providing ECU dust cover.
Very helpful and knowledgeable chap. Did not give any "goli" about clutch hardness, gearshift etc., saying "Aisa hi hoto hai, safari mein to hard hai etc., etc."

Infact surprise of surprise, he also heard a faint "krrrr" which he says is due to old EGR. My car has the old 70mm EGR. He says he was involved with R&D for development of 90mm EGR, which will be put in the car tomorrow. This will make engine smoother.
I asked him whether all safari's get this Krrr noise, he told me only some did but to counter that, they came out with a bigger EGR in the newer safari's and it will be changed in mine tomorrow along with clutch.
As for me, i could make that noise out only when he pointed it out to me, and then removed the EGR hosepipe and then again ran the car.

All in all, the white elephant is getting ready to get to the top of the world!

HappyWheels · 11th August 2009, 20:07

Great news, TSK!

And its about time! Both man and machine have been through a lot!

4x4addict · 11th August 2009, 20:09

Tsk:

It is a honor to be part of the Tata Testing team.

Jokes apart, atleast they are following up and trying to resolve the issues with the 2.2 liter engine, which is a good thing. Hopefully the newer ones will be more bulletproof, kinda like the old Sumo 2.0 IDI engine is.

amitk26 · 12th August 2009, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Infact surprise of surprise, he also heard a faint "krrrr" which he says is due to old EGR. My car has the old 70mm EGR. He says he was involved with R&D for development of 90mm EGR, which will be put in the car tomorrow. This will make engine smoother.

That explains I have June 2008 manufactured Safari and never heard that famous Krr noise discussed on the 2.2 VTT thread but may be I am used to it.
If you happen to meet him can you please find since when 90 MM EGR was introduced also if you can provide part numbers for old and new it will be helpful.

Since your Safari is going to workshop ask them for the ongoing upgrades. I think the Pune Chap must be knowing it.

tsk1979 · 12th August 2009, 10:30

Once I get my parts inovice, I will tell you number, but its quite easy to find out. The older EGR is significantly smaller than the newer one, which looks huge in comparison.
And not all older EGRs give this krrr noise.
Only some do. So its possible that even with older EGR you do not get krrr noise.

Rahulk76 · 12th August 2009, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Once I get my parts inovice, I will tell you number, but its quite easy to find out. The older EGR is significantly smaller than the newer one, which looks huge in comparison.
And not all older EGRs give this krrr noise.
Only some do. So its possible that even with older EGR you do not get krrr noise.

Any updates on the RPM issue ?

tsk1979 · 12th August 2009, 11:51

RPM issue is sorted. Problem with ECU parameters. Rest he checked all engine performance and injector pressure like parameters, and everything is normal.
So I go to Leh with her, if issue comes then we check it out after I come back.
However this time I suspect its not going to come again.

bantejas · 12th August 2009, 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

RPM issue is sorted. Problem with ECU parameters. Rest he checked all engine performance and injector pressure like parameters, and everything is normal.
So I go to Leh with her, if issue comes then we check it out after I come back.
However this time I suspect its not going to come again.

Awesome! Waiting eagerly for the travelogue! I hope that you don't get any issues with it.

Tejas

musicmanaman · 12th August 2009, 12:02

Good to know that problems are getting sorted out and this chap actually know's his job.

Jaggu · 12th August 2009, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Problem with ECU parameters.

What parameters and how was it solved?

HappyWheels · 12th August 2009, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

... However this time I suspect its not going to come again.

This time I expect it not to come back again!

All the best for the upcoming trip, TSK!

suman · 12th August 2009, 12:47

And when's your departure date?

tsk1979 · 12th August 2009, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

What parameters and how was it solved?

Every injector comes with its own set of codes, if you do not match that in the ECU, there can be issues. Here some codes were mismatching. for example ECU was tuned for code A, when it should have been code 4 in one case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suman

And when's your departure date?

Next weekend (21st)

11th August 2009, 15:16	#1261
Torqy BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 967 Thanked: 244 Times	@tsk1979, you have patience like HIMALAYAS!! I bow to that.
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11th August 2009, 16:21	#1262
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,318 Thanked: 16,664 Times	Is there any air leak (minor) happening somewhere in the fuel rail/injector/EGR/Turbo? can this be ruled out?
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11th August 2009, 20:04	#1263
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	That was checked. Infact all engine parameters were checked. Everything is in the limit, but some things are near limit. So no service light will come. He has adjusted a few things. i have to report tomorrow morning cold start. MEanwhile we went on a long drive and told him about hard clutch, and rough gearshift. So he recommended clutch change. . Hopefully with that all problems of rough gearshift and hard clutch should go away So tomorrow that job will be done, and idle oscillating issue will be looked at if its still there. He has also asked dealership for providing ECU dust cover. Very helpful and knowledgeable chap. Did not give any "goli" about clutch hardness, gearshift etc., saying "Aisa hi hoto hai, safari mein to hard hai etc., etc." Infact surprise of surprise, he also heard a faint "krrrr" which he says is due to old EGR. My car has the old 70mm EGR. He says he was involved with R&D for development of 90mm EGR, which will be put in the car tomorrow. This will make engine smoother. I asked him whether all safari's get this Krrr noise, he told me only some did but to counter that, they came out with a bigger EGR in the newer safari's and it will be changed in mine tomorrow along with clutch. As for me, i could make that noise out only when he pointed it out to me, and then removed the EGR hosepipe and then again ran the car. All in all, the white elephant is getting ready to get to the top of the world!
	() Thanks

11th August 2009, 20:07	#1264
HappyWheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,143 Thanked: 566 Times	Great news, TSK! And its about time! Both man and machine have been through a lot!
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11th August 2009, 20:09	#1265
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,490 Thanked: 4,558 Times View My Garage	Tsk: It is a honor to be part of the Tata Testing team. Jokes apart, atleast they are following up and trying to resolve the issues with the 2.2 liter engine, which is a good thing. Hopefully the newer ones will be more bulletproof, kinda like the old Sumo 2.0 IDI engine is.
	() Thanks

12th August 2009, 10:30	#1267
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	Once I get my parts inovice, I will tell you number, but its quite easy to find out. The older EGR is significantly smaller than the newer one, which looks huge in comparison. And not all older EGRs give this krrr noise. Only some do. So its possible that even with older EGR you do not get krrr noise.
	() Thanks

12th August 2009, 11:51	#1269
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	RPM issue is sorted. Problem with ECU parameters. Rest he checked all engine performance and injector pressure like parameters, and everything is normal. So I go to Leh with her, if issue comes then we check it out after I come back. However this time I suspect its not going to come again.
	() Thanks

12th August 2009, 12:02	#1271
musicmanaman BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kolkata Posts: 927 Thanked: 25 Times	Good to know that problems are getting sorted out and this chap actually know's his job.
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12th August 2009, 12:47	#1274
suman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 4,589 Thanked: 281 Times View My Garage	And when's your departure date?
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