Safari EX 4x4 120,000 km update

jaysmokesleaves · 20th March 2009, 15:45

@tsk > Selling being ruled out dont bother going to court either. The pain will only aggravate. If I was you, for the time being, I would forget about the vehicle, leave it with the dealer and ask them to fix everything and trial run it for atleast 200kms with you intraffic and on the highway when YOU have a free day.
Once you are convinced and they are equally sure then honestly, bash the hell out of the vehicle, as in, drive it as hard and as harsh as you can. Im sure it will all hold together or completely fall apart and then you can claim a new engine.
Some dreams are made of things like the Safari. Vehicles come and go, some passions remain. They dull or get bitter due to circumstance, but you are living your dream, of owning a 4wd safari. Ofcourse this isnt the way you imagined it, but hold on tight to it.
It will all fall into place, in time. Make peace with yourself.
There is a sunrise after a sunset, even if the night feels too long.

Cheers.

bblost · 20th March 2009, 15:47

The only thing Tanveer might find helpful about the Safari is that all his other problems in life seem minuscule compared to this.

4x4addict · 20th March 2009, 17:21

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Originally Posted by HappyWheels

TSK, Would you rather have the rest of the vehicle changed or the engine? As far as I see, the engine is not having any issues. Most of your issues are with things that are connected to the engine.

The pistons and crankshaft are connected to the engine as well.

HappyWheels · 20th March 2009, 18:21

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Originally Posted by 4x4addict

The pistons and crankshaft are connected to the engine as well.

What the!!!

Guess I missed this part where he said that even this was changed.

tsk1979 · 20th March 2009, 21:05

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Originally Posted by HappyWheels

What the!!!

Guess I missed this part where he said that even this was changed.

Nope. I never said piston and crankshaft were changed.
Fuel Pump, Injectors, common rail and HP lines and fuel lines were changed

HappyWheels · 20th March 2009, 21:10

Any update from the T.A.S.S?

What is the latest standing?

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

...Fuel Pump, Injectors, common rail and HP lines and fuel lines were changed

Oh, ok.

Guess I was just being given some 'gyaan' about engines!

tsk1979 · 20th March 2009, 21:12

Radiator is changed. Oil leak was not from engine, but from a pipe, some gasket was giving issues.
Tie rod end changed, a bush has been changed in the suspension.
I should get it tomorrow after they can replicate the idle surging on cold start issue.
I will ask them to deliver the vehicle to noida itself. I don't have the energy to haul myself to the service center again.

anupmathur · 20th March 2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Oil leak was not from engine, but from a pipe, some gasket was giving issues.

Gosh, what is that supposed to mean?
It's a functionally imperative pipe and it carries engine oil!
How do we begin to split what is 'engine' and what is a 'pipe'?

tsk1979 · 20th March 2009, 21:50

I posted pics of where the oil was leaking from. Its that pipe, or rather 2 pipes joined together, and a gasket/seal in between. The seal was faulty.

SS-Traveller · 20th March 2009, 21:57

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Oil leak was not from engine, but from a pipe, some gasket was giving issues.

Engine oil leak from a pipe because of GASKET issues?? You mean an external engine oil circulating pipe worked itself loose and started dripping oil? Which pipe was this? EDIT: Could you please repost a link to the pic of that pipe? I seem to be unable to find it...

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...replicate the idle surging on cold start issue.

you mean repair the idle surging on cold start issue? Wouldn't that be a fuel pump/injector/common rail/ECU issue again?

adc · 20th March 2009, 22:23

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Originally Posted by adc

Next time may be you refuse to take the VTT until engine replaced - is there a step like that?

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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

If I was you, for the time being, I would forget about the vehicle, leave it with the dealer and ask them to fix everything and trial run it for atleast 200kms with you intraffic and on the highway when YOU have a free day.

Some great smoked words.

Quote:

There is a sunrise after a sunset, even if the night feels too long.

Cheers.

Some more great smoked words, I like the way this "warlord" talks. JSL - NE Dec 09-Jan10?

Today while on the Bullet, saw a parked 2.2 Dicor with driver, demanded that the hood be opened and lo and behold the pipe is attached well in the clip. Around 7k used Safari this was. Asked him also any issues, said the last driver burned the clutch and got thrown out - clutch and paraphernalia repair costs around 13k around

Anyway I'm keeping that pipe away from the clip, the way i found it. Anyway too short to be crimped or touch any hot areas, rather than it be squeezed, whatever be the degree or whether it be helpful or not.

So in summary, if you see that pipe either in clip or loose, well nothing to fret for both or whatever you choose.

Jaggu · 20th March 2009, 23:46

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Originally Posted by adc

Anyway I'm keeping that pipe away from the clip, the way i found it. Anyway too short to be crimped or touch any hot areas, rather than it be squeezed, whatever be the degree or whether it be helpful or not.

So in summary, if you see that pipe either in clip or loose, well nothing to fret for both or whatever you choose.

I suggest you fix it back in the clip and maybe restrain it with additional cable tie or something, without squeezing the tibe much. The crimp is minimal and is any day better than a bent/chocked pipe due to vacuum! which is what happened to tsk.

Your call at the end of the day.

EDIT: saw your pic here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1217493-post808.html and i think you need to pull the tube lil more to the bottom so that the bent is aok, you should also find the original position (slight crimped part on tube) which will give the tube right seating in the clip.

aaggoswami · 21st March 2009, 00:01

@tsk1979:

1) The Fuel Pump, Injectors, common rail and HP lines and fuel lines were changed again ? IIRC, they were changed recently for that service light and before your trip in which the car gave this radiator trouble.

2) Dont sell off this car, demand replacement. I know its tough for salaried class to fight as we too are in the same class, but there is no other option. Sell this car off and still you will end up in loss. Going to court is feasible option as you will have a chance of getting compesation. There are cases where poeple have got justice. You have kept patience till now and some more might prove to be beneficial. Its not always that the cases are dismissed.

3) The enigne can be at fault. The amount of work done till now for enigne parts like fuel lines, injectors, etc. make me think there is something wrong at other place.

Even reading this leads me to anger. If I were in your place, I would be all over media for having beaten down tata motors GM or whoever comes in front of me first.

I am sorry if I am getting a bit personal, but I think that
Tanveer + Tadber = Not a good combo.
Tanveer + Taqder = An option to be explored by pushing for replacement of car.
Tanveer + Tadber + Taqder = Court option after the above one fails.

PS : THE ABOVE PART OF TANVEER, TAQDER AND TADBER ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE OFFENSIVE.
TANVEER = TSK1979.
TADBER = HARD WORK.
TAQDER = FATE, LUCK.

adc · 21st March 2009, 00:52

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

EDIT: saw your pic here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1217493-post808.html and i think you need to pull the tube lil more to the bottom so that the bent is aok, you should also find the original position (slight crimped part on tube) which will give the tube right seating in the clip.

Okay, tomorrow Saturday midnight I am on a 800 km non-stop journey and will keep the pipe in the clip and as rightly said need to pull it down a little if in clip. Thanks much for that crucial observation.

At end of travel will try to feel if the segment of the pipe on the clip is hotter than the rest of the pipe. If not, then it stays in the clip.

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Originally Posted by suman

And to think of the number of pages debated about the clip & the pipe

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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

Just a suggestion here. Will be nice if you update the entire episode of the trouble shooting in one piece. That way it is easier for the reader to make a conclusion of what the whole issue was and how it was solved. Imagine the plight of the guy who has just seen the thread. After reading through all the pages he reads about 5 pages of pipe reengineering solutions by tbhpians only to realize it was a radiator leak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

The crimp is minimal and is any day better than a bent/chocked pipe due to vacuum! which is what happened to tsk.

It would be very helpful if you and/or all those technically competent clearly please describe the chain of events - like what happened sequentially? A bent pipe plus a radiator leak at the same time - arent the odds huge?

jaysmokesleaves · 21st March 2009, 09:15

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Originally Posted by adc

Some more great smoked words, I like the way this "warlord" talks. JSL - NE Dec 09-Jan10?

Will be out of the country. NE will come up either before Dec 09 or after Mid Jan.

20th March 2009, 15:45	#901
jaysmokesleaves Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mostly Mumbai Posts: 1,702 Thanked: 1,460 Times	@tsk > Selling being ruled out dont bother going to court either. The pain will only aggravate. If I was you, for the time being, I would forget about the vehicle, leave it with the dealer and ask them to fix everything and trial run it for atleast 200kms with you intraffic and on the highway when YOU have a free day. Once you are convinced and they are equally sure then honestly, bash the hell out of the vehicle, as in, drive it as hard and as harsh as you can. Im sure it will all hold together or completely fall apart and then you can claim a new engine. Some dreams are made of things like the Safari. Vehicles come and go, some passions remain. They dull or get bitter due to circumstance, but you are living your dream, of owning a 4wd safari. Ofcourse this isnt the way you imagined it, but hold on tight to it. It will all fall into place, in time. Make peace with yourself. There is a sunrise after a sunset, even if the night feels too long. Cheers.
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20th March 2009, 15:47	#902
bblost Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 11,076 Thanked: 16,075 Times View My Garage	The only thing Tanveer might find helpful about the Safari is that all his other problems in life seem minuscule compared to this.
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20th March 2009, 21:12	#907
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,724 Thanked: 22,974 Times View My Garage	Radiator is changed. Oil leak was not from engine, but from a pipe, some gasket was giving issues. Tie rod end changed, a bush has been changed in the suspension. I should get it tomorrow after they can replicate the idle surging on cold start issue. I will ask them to deliver the vehicle to noida itself. I don't have the energy to haul myself to the service center again.
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20th March 2009, 21:50	#909
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,724 Thanked: 22,974 Times View My Garage	I posted pics of where the oil was leaking from. Its that pipe, or rather 2 pipes joined together, and a gasket/seal in between. The seal was faulty.
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21st March 2009, 00:01	#913
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,987 Thanked: 2,963 Times	@tsk1979: 1) The Fuel Pump, Injectors, common rail and HP lines and fuel lines were changed again ? IIRC, they were changed recently for that service light and before your trip in which the car gave this radiator trouble. 2) Dont sell off this car, demand replacement. I know its tough for salaried class to fight as we too are in the same class, but there is no other option. Sell this car off and still you will end up in loss. Going to court is feasible option as you will have a chance of getting compesation. There are cases where poeple have got justice. You have kept patience till now and some more might prove to be beneficial. Its not always that the cases are dismissed. 3) The enigne can be at fault. The amount of work done till now for enigne parts like fuel lines, injectors, etc. make me think there is something wrong at other place. Even reading this leads me to anger. If I were in your place, I would be all over media for having beaten down tata motors GM or whoever comes in front of me first. I am sorry if I am getting a bit personal, but I think that Tanveer + Tadber = Not a good combo. Tanveer + Taqder = An option to be explored by pushing for replacement of car. Tanveer + Tadber + Taqder = Court option after the above one fails. PS : THE ABOVE PART OF TANVEER, TAQDER AND TADBER ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE OFFENSIVE. TANVEER = TSK1979. TADBER = HARD WORK. TAQDER = FATE, LUCK.
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