Safari EX 4x4 120,000 km update

tsk1979 · 2nd March 2009, 16:55

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

Can it be a misbehaving regulator in the alternator? Could be causing a blip in the bus voltage, which I think is a monitored parameter, or might just be disturbing the ECU power supply.

Well that should cause a lot of error messages to crop up. I suspect a real problem and not a sensor problem

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On a lighter note, by any chance, have you left the Police CD 'The Ghost In The Machine' in your car CD player?

Nope, only Iron Maiden in my car. Police does not suit the cars character. Only headbangers here, as this is one car that can make your head bang in frustration

dadu · 2nd March 2009, 18:00

While they are at it why not ask them to change the the FRPS(Fuel rail pressure sensor) and/or pressure regulating valves. FRPS should have a vacuum line and an electrical connection for control, the connections should be firm with no leaks in the vacuum hose.

bhp1 · 2nd March 2009, 18:18

Hi TSK, I'll suggest you to visit the authorised servised station in Jalandhar, I've heard a lot of good word about them. Keep in mind, Doaba region is the hub of Safaris, max. sell here. So, the experience of technicians could be huge.

Eddy · 2nd March 2009, 18:20

As much as it sounds strange, I absolutely agree with this bhp1. It was in Jalandhar that problem with my brothers safari (curious case of vanishing coolant) was diagnosed. Worth giving it a try if everything else fails.

tsk1979 · 2nd March 2009, 19:02

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Originally Posted by dadu

While they are at it why not ask them to change the the FRPS(Fuel rail pressure sensor) and/or pressure regulating valves. FRPS should have a vacuum line and an electrical connection for control, the connections should be firm with no leaks in the vacuum hose.

The sensor has already been changed

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Originally Posted by bhp1

Hi TSK, I'll suggest you to visit the authorised servised station in Jalandhar, I've heard a lot of good word about them. Keep in mind, Doaba region is the hub of Safaris, max. sell here. So, the experience of technicians could be huge.

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Originally Posted by Eddy

As much as it sounds strange, I absolutely agree with this bhp1. It was in Jalandhar that problem with my brothers safari (curious case of vanishing coolant) was diagnosed. Worth giving it a try if everything else fails.

Well in this case TML and Lucas TVS engineers themselves have come to diagnose the problem. In any case when an error code does not go away on sensor cleanup, the next procedure is to call Delphi/Lucas/TML engineers.

anupmathur · 2nd March 2009, 19:58

Well, workshop timings are over for today.
Let us see what tomorrow brings.

Fingers & toes crossed!

tsk1979 · 2nd March 2009, 21:19

Spoke to the service advisor around 7:45pm. They had just come back from a TD after changing the fuel return line. No service light.
Tomorrow they will do longer TD and check.
I will get a detailed list of what all has been changed, and what all old remains.
Hopefully it will get fixed!

Jaggu · 2nd March 2009, 21:42

Hope it's sorted out, I also was wondering what if the lines were clogged or something LOL.

anupmathur · 2nd March 2009, 21:44

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Spoke to the service advisor around 7:45pm. They had just come back from a TD after changing the fuel return line. No service light.

Hopefully it will get fixed!

You mean the return line to tank? That's the low pressure circuit!

Or is this a recirculation line of the rail?

Of course it will get fixed! Was that ever in doubt? But I'm very keen to know what miserable LITTLE thing was causing this HUGE error code!

tsk1979 · 2nd March 2009, 22:34

Recirculation line of the common rail I think. Details I will get to know when I actually go there.

HappyWheels · 3rd March 2009, 07:14

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Spoke to the service advisor around 7:45pm. They had just come back from a TD after changing the fuel return line. No service light.
Tomorrow they will do longer TD and check.
...
Hopefully it will get fixed!

Finally some hope! Pray and wish that this gets sorted out soon, TSK.

As AnupMathur mentioned, it will be interesting to know, to quote "... what miserable LITTLE thing was causing this HUGE error code!..." unquote.

getsurya · 3rd March 2009, 09:32

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Spoke to the service advisor around 7:45pm. They had just come back from a TD after changing the fuel return line. No service light.

Hopefully it will get fixed!

Hi TSK, good to hear the progress after a long lull.Can feel the relief of not having the service light glow. It will be fixed for sure.

Once it is back, throw a party around pal....just jokin!!

suman · 3rd March 2009, 09:52

Woh, finally (hopefully

)!!!

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Originally Posted by Eddy

As much as it sounds strange, I absolutely agree with this bhp1. It was in Jalandhar that problem with my brothers safari (curious case of vanishing coolant) was diagnosed.

LOL, I thought it was Autolinks that diagnosed the issue? That was what took me to them in the first place........

Eddy · 3rd March 2009, 10:25

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Originally Posted by suman

LOL, I thought it was Autolinks that diagnosed the issue? That was what took me to them in the first place........

50% only. Brother spoke to a mechanic in Jalandhar. He said its a case of a leaking cap. Showed it to Autolinks. Got it resolved.

tsk1979 · 3rd March 2009, 10:25

Autolinks did not diagnose the issue. The standard guideline for service light is that the sensor is cleaned and refitted. If service light does not go away, they call the TML or Delphi etc., guys.
So in this case since it was related to common rail, Delphi was called. Injectors for 2.2 are manufactured by Delphi.
Delphi guys recommended injector and HP line change, and when that was done, service light did not go away.
Then they replaced fuel pump, this was with Lucas Guys.
Next step was ECU and wiring harness. But nothing worked.
Old ECU was put back, and the fuel recirculation line was changed, this is again Delphi I think.

The service advisor told me two TML and two Lucas Engineers were working yesterday to find the issue. they changed all the filters also. Finally it was narrowed down to this fuel recirculation line of the common rail.
I will call them up around noon and find out if its really sorted out!?

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dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,803 Thanked: 463 Times View My Garage	While they are at it why not ask them to change the the FRPS(Fuel rail pressure sensor) and/or pressure regulating valves. FRPS should have a vacuum line and an electrical connection for control, the connections should be firm with no leaks in the vacuum hose. Last edited by dadu : 2nd March 2009 at 18:03.
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bhp1 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NA Posts: 513 Thanked: 4 Times	Hi TSK, I'll suggest you to visit the authorised servised station in Jalandhar, I've heard a lot of good word about them. Keep in mind, Doaba region is the hub of Safaris, max. sell here. So, the experience of technicians could be huge.
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Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,453 Thanked: 13,788 Times	As much as it sounds strange, I absolutely agree with this bhp1. It was in Jalandhar that problem with my brothers safari (curious case of vanishing coolant) was diagnosed. Worth giving it a try if everything else fails.
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anupmathur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,095 Thanked: 311 Times	Well, workshop timings are over for today. Let us see what tomorrow brings. Fingers & toes crossed!
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	Spoke to the service advisor around 7:45pm. They had just come back from a TD after changing the fuel return line. No service light. Tomorrow they will do longer TD and check. I will get a detailed list of what all has been changed, and what all old remains. Hopefully it will get fixed!
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Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,318 Thanked: 16,664 Times	Hope it's sorted out, I also was wondering what if the lines were clogged or something LOL.
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	Recirculation line of the common rail I think. Details I will get to know when I actually go there.
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3rd March 2009, 10:25	#585
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	Autolinks did not diagnose the issue. The standard guideline for service light is that the sensor is cleaned and refitted. If service light does not go away, they call the TML or Delphi etc., guys. So in this case since it was related to common rail, Delphi was called. Injectors for 2.2 are manufactured by Delphi. Delphi guys recommended injector and HP line change, and when that was done, service light did not go away. Then they replaced fuel pump, this was with Lucas Guys. Next step was ECU and wiring harness. But nothing worked. Old ECU was put back, and the fuel recirculation line was changed, this is again Delphi I think. The service advisor told me two TML and two Lucas Engineers were working yesterday to find the issue. they changed all the filters also. Finally it was narrowed down to this fuel recirculation line of the common rail. I will call them up around noon and find out if its really sorted out!?
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