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Originally Posted by Newpunter I didn't want to go off topic, but since you asked, here are the "facts". |
Thats a lot of 'Facts' really Quote:
1. Nurburgring 2003. Alonso braked 10 m earlier than the previous lap leading due to which Coulthard had to take avoiding action and crashed out of the race.
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Are you serious!? Coulthard would never crash otherwise!?
About the incident that you posted. Please read this excerpt from www.grandprix.com Quote:
The incident between David Coulthard and Fernando Alonso in the closing laps of the European Grand Prix has caused a certain amount on controversy in Formula 1 circles because it is clear that, for whatever reason, Alonso braked around 10 meters earlier than expected. The Renault team said that this was because of tire problems, but Coulthard argued that the Spanish driver's braking points were inconsistent and in the end resulted in David having to swerve to avoid an impact. As a result he had an accident and had to retire from the race.
"I don't want to get involved in a childish argument about the rights or wrongs, but he did brake significantly earlier for the corner than on the previous lap," said Coulthard. "I had to take evasive action. The data will show that he braked early. I would be disappointed to think that it was deliberate and it is difficult to accuse someone of something. He was having problems and he was trying to be defensive. At the end of the day he is the one in the points and I am the silly one because I have gone off."
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Wrong facts have been quoted here by you mate. Sorry! Quote:
2. I don't recall MS ever blackmailing the team to get number one status. Alonso, however, after the quali in Hungary, went to Ron Dennis and blackmailed him to give him the number one status or he would go to the FIA and expose the Spygate. That is how the spygate issue was reopened after the FIA initially cleared Mclaren of any wrong doing.
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There are 2 parts to this.
1. Ron was not true to the FIA about the Spygate when they were caught the first time. I dont think he gave all the facts when the case was reopened as well. It was the drivers and key evidences from FIA inspection at Mclaren Tech center that got Mclaren on its knees. I have huge doubts about Ron's integrity.
2. Then Ron goes public about Alonso threatening him to expose the Spygate. I have my doubts. It sounds more like Ron wanted to do maximum damage to Alonso's name through the media. Quote:
3. The lollipop was not down. The team had given him the go ahead to leave but he waited till the time was just enough for him to get a quali lap and Lewis could not.
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Thats just one side of the story. You missed the part where Lewis dint let Alonso do his flying lap before coming in for the final set of tires and Alonso's garage wanted to give it back to Lewis who screwed their strategy for the race. Remember this, the cars were running race fuel for Q3 and losing a flying lap in fresh tires and a lap's fuel is not going to help his chances. Both of them are not angels. They just deserved each other in 2007. The Hungary incident was a typical example of that.
The only different thing was the way Lewis was differently treated by the FIA where he almost got away with everything that he did in 2007. Including the spygate! Quote:
4. The team engineers did that no doubt. But Alonso did have a role in that. Check the FIA judgement if you have the time. There are mails between Alonso and Pedro De La Rosa (who was test driver at Mclaren then ) where they are talking about the info got from Nigel Stepny. It was with this info that Alonso tried to blackmail Ron Dennis. Alonso did not get punished for this coz Max Mosley offered complete immunity to the drivers so that he could get more proof to punish Mclaren.
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So, the other driver by name Lewis was not aware of anything about things that were happening in the factory?
Ron did his best to make Alonso look bad and Alonso did the same to make Mclaren look bad. Mclaren's good times lol. Quote:
All these are verifiable facts by the way. I haven't invented anything.
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The facts need to be mentioned completely mate. Not just half that could support your claim! Quote:
Edit : Sorry for going off topic. I don't want to ruin the discussion on the race with a completely unnecessary discussion. So I will just stop by saying that I respect Alonso's talent as a driver. He is a very talented guy and makes very few mistakes. However, I don't like a few things about him that's all .
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I do agree with you, I hate(d) him for his attitude. But he is showing more maturity at Ferrari this year and he has been impressive as a driver as well.
How about this now? http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...D=392407&FS=F1
Quite possible, since his wheels were not locked up!
Last edited by anachronix : 27th October 2010 at 12:28.
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