[NKB]

Now Liam will score more than Yuki

RB21 is a very difficult car to drive and has a very small window of operation. Whereas Racing Bulls seems to have more balanced car.

Yuki is a fast driver but he will need to adapt very quickly and be very consistent to extract performance from that car which Max is able to do and none of his previous teammates have been able to do.

Hope this move works for Red Bull and they get a second driver also scoring.

[gotetir]

Originally Posted by ads11

Rant aside, fair enough. Sounds like he was a bit bullish about himself and that rubbed up fans the wrong way. I strongly suspect DTS made a meal out of those comments for extra effect.

Totally get what you are saying, I second your opinion on DTS. It's pure dramatization, selective editing.

my take on Liam's selection is after he showed both pace and agression, he was deemed fit of the second seat.
Mid season, RB held a test of Liam Lawsons pace and he did well in that, Christian was present for that too. Also, while driving for VCARB in Mexico, Liam out maneuvered Checo and showed middle finger, an agressive character similar to what they were looking for in Max (read only as driving agression).

RB has two challenges, (1) Second car is not scoring points as they don't have a driver who can put the car in top tier position. Let alone matching Max. (2) They lost constructors to Mclaren.

Liam shouldn't have been upgraded directly to senior team, he could have been allowed to gain experience in VACRB where he gets lesser attention. Hope Yuki is the better suited and take this opportunity in his stride, keeps the head down and work it out. In his words, "on track results talk about him."

[PetrolHead2272]

Red Bull cars are built by Max for Max. No wonder the 2nd driver has always struggled ever since Ricciardo left.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...kyis7TvNGLnbmm

2019 onwards Red Bull clearly divided driver no.1 and driver no. 2. Gasly struggled, Albon struggled and Perez struggled all because they have a very different driving style compared to Max. Ricciardo and Max were evenly matched mostly due to the fact that they had similar driving style and that Red Bull treated both talents equally.

Anyway Lawson tried so hard to be the 'bad guy' and be more like Max and failed so miserably. Glad he now knows where he belongs (not even on the grid imo). I'd be really glad not to see Slowson on the grid next year.
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"I'm not here to make friends"

[Sentau]

Originally Posted by am1m

Why RB didn't sign Carlos is a mystery to me. Going by what was shown in the latest 'Drive to Survive' season, Sainz would certainly have accepted after being jettisoned by Ferrari?

Jos verstappen and Carlos Sr. have a quite poor and fiery relationship. They had the made working environment quite toxic when Max and Carlos jr. were driving the Toro Rosso in their maiden campaigns (2015). Red bull were afraid of similar political drama and toxicity if they were to hire Carlos which contributed to them not going for him. So the overbearing fathers are partly to blame here.

[fiat_tarun]

Originally Posted by Jazzybala

Unless Horner gets his head sorted and puts it clear that the car will be developed so that both drivers can drive it, i don't think it matters who they put in the second seat.
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Exactly, the way Albon has described the car characteristics, it's going to be tough for Yuki as well. I hope it works out for him though !

[mack.mehul]

As commented by many others, even i feel that Red Bull should have given Lawson atleast 4-5 races to show his racing skill. The swap is happening way too early. However even Lawson did not help his cause as he qualified P20 in both the races in a Red Bull, which is still the 2nd or 3rd fastest car on grid.

Tsunoda has a mountain to climb and I really hope that he matches up to Max or else he may also be shown the door within 2-3 races. In the case of Perez, the patient approach of Red bull was due to Mexican sponsors which came alongwith Perez.

Even in Ferrari, I expect soon that there shall be royal scuffle between Leclerc and Hamilton. Leclerc has always been no.1 driver of Ferrari and Hamilton is one of the GOAT of f1. No team can handle two no.1 drivers. The same I see happening soon in Mclaren as well as Norris is default no.1 driver of team however Piastri is showing good speed in the car.

[StarrySky]

It is rumoured that Honda is backing this move financially, paying for Yuki to be in the RedBull.

Maybe RedBull has already written off winning the WCC with this car, and they want to make up for the shortfall with the money from Honda!!

RedBull getting into the mix with two cars certainly will help create more excitement. So I hope Yuki will do better than Checo and Liam.

[mac187]

Originally Posted by mack.mehul

Even in Ferrari, i expect soon that there shall be royal scuffle between Leclerc and Hamilton. Leclerc has always been no.1 driver of ferrari and Hamilton is one of the GOAT of f1, no team can handle two no.1 drivers. The same i see happening soon in Mclaren as well as Norris is default no.1 driver of team however Piastri is showing good speed in the car.

Honestly, from the team perspective this is a good problem to have. And remember Piastri and Hamilton have been locked in with their contracts. Team decision will take precedence.

Feel sad for Liam, he flew too close to the sun. I hated the guy when he disrespected Checo. Yet, feel sad for him for not getting enough time to prove himself.

RB seriously needs to introspect, they have cut more drivers than any other team.

[Inazuma]

Originally Posted by ninjatalli

Tsunoda to replace Lawson for the upcoming Japanese Grand Prix. Honda is also pulling their might (read: money) in getting the Japanese driver top spot for the home race; so that probably pushed the decision.

Should have been the default decision at the start of the year; I feel for Lawson in being thrown to the lion’ pit directly. Anyway, he can still make his case in the RB car going forward.


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Exactly! Liam might have the "right attitude" for a Redbull driver but dealing with a car like RB21 takes a lot of experience which Yuki clearly has (like he's been in the Junior team for 4 years now). Although I have high hopes for Yuki, I'm not sure if he'll instantly get to grips with that car but I do know that he'll perform better than Lawson.

At the end of the day, all we can do is speculate what might happen, but hoping for the best for Yuki, and obviously a bit gutted for Lawson.

[mack.mehul]

Originally Posted by mac187

Honestly, from the team perspective this is a good problem to have. And remember Piastri and Hamilton have been locked in with their contracts. Team decision will take precedence.

Feel sad for Liam, he flew too close to the sun. I hated the guy when he disrespected Checo. Yet, feel sad for him for not getting enough time to prove himself.

It is a good problem to have till the time the drivers start crashing amongst themselves and then teams have to balm the ego of both the drivers and carry out team meetings and weird radio messages during races

[RM Motorsports]

It seems Redbull has lost its way. After some high profile exits from the team, Redbull seems clueless in which direction to go with car development. Its just that Max is able to extract most out of a non competent car. Rumour say Redbull will be slower than sister Racing bulls without Max driving.

Also the Redbull car is developed more as per Max's driving style.

Perez paid the price, Liam paid the price, lets see what Yuki has to offer.

Can Yuki fight along side Max, or will his Wings also be Clipped ?

[am1m]

IMHO (and this is mostly conjecture) most top F1 teams are really crap at assessing/nurturing talent.

Unless it's a blindingly obvious, generational talent like a Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, or Max, the Ferrari, Merc, and RB teams are really best at poaching talented youngsters from smaller teams like Williams.

So ultimately, when faced with a not so legendary driver, to fill the second seat, they will just go through churn. Keep swapping till someone clicks. Not much different from a tech startup- hire and fire people till you find a combo that works!

On the other hand, teams like Jordan, Williams, Renault, people like Frank Williams, Eddie Jordan, and even Briatore to some extent, nurtured F1 driver talent. But they inevitably lost them to the big guys and look at where those teams are now anyway.

Which is why, now, even as a Ferrari fan from the 2000s, when McLaren was 'the enemy', I'm rooting for them this year! At least they have persisted with Lando, time for some well-deserved success!

[mayankk]

Originally Posted by RM Motorsports

Rumour say Redbull will be slower than sister Racing bulls without Max driving.

How is that still a rumour?

[ads11]

Originally Posted by am1m

IMHO (and this is mostly conjecture) most top F1 teams are really crap at assessing/nurturing talent.

I don't think this is conjecture, I think this is an unwritten fact. The political ramifications of F1 are such that its a bit like cabinet positions. The seat doesn't exactly go to the best qualified person, it'll go to whoever comes with additional benefits. You see this frequently not just in terms of the pay drivers but also the movements of younger talent based on who manages them and their rapport with grid members.

You're right, most of the time it's just churn. Also for business that touts how risk taking and fast paced it is, it's amazing how risk averse team bosses can be with driver line ups. There's a fair few drivers who've had remarkable careers simply by virtue of being known quantities. The closed cartel nature of the sport since the last Concorde Agreement hasn't helped either especially when there's only 20 seats total and fewer still once you count out the big fish of the sport with their guaranteed seats.

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by am1m

IMHO (and this is mostly conjecture) most top F1 teams are really crap at assessing/nurturing talent.

It is pretty much conjecture and grossly incorrect conclusion.

Unless it's a blindingly obvious, generational talent like a Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, or Max, the Ferrari, Merc, and RB teams are really best at poaching talented youngsters from smaller teams like Williams.

A few decades ago, Williams was the Red Bull equivalent so it's ironical you referenced them. But this "observation" is about a decade old (you are thinking Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, etc.)
This is not at all true when you consider the most recent flock of talented racers have come via driver development academies (e.g. Max, Lando, Leclarc, Sainz, etc).

So ultimately, when faced with a not so legendary driver, to fill the second seat, they will just go through churn. Keep swapping till someone clicks. Not much different from a tech startup- hire and fire people till you find a combo that works!

This is only true for Red Bull and it's a well documented problem. In the past when they were getting results (Vettel, Ricciardo, Max); their approach was considered radical but out-of-the-box. Now it's a problem every F1 expert is highlighting.

On the other hand, teams like Jordan, Williams, Renault, people like Frank Williams, Eddie Jordan, and even Briatore to some extent, nurtured F1 driver talent. But they inevitably lost them to the big guys and look at where those teams are now anyway.

Kind of true for any sport; and especially for F1 in any decade if you go back. But what's changed is now almost every F1 team has some kind of new driver / talent grooming program; but they all have the problem of plenty.

Which is why, now, even as a Ferrari fan from the 2000s, when McLaren was 'the enemy', I'm rooting for them this year! At least they have persisted with Lando, time for some well-deserved success!

With regards to the part in bold, they are hardly alone. When you do a apple-to-apple comparison

Norris - 2017 Mclaren Driver Dev. program | 2019 McLaren
Leclarc - 2016 Ferrari Academy | 2018 Sauber | 2019 Ferrari
Russell - 2017 Mercedes Junior Team | 2019 (loaned to) Williams | 2022 Mercedes