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islero · 21st October 2007, 11:16

Ok guys, no response from your end.....

ID 375: is the Iso Fidia

More about Iso:

Before the second world war, Renzo Rivolta had built up a succssful company, Isothermos, building refrigerators. The 1940s saw him turn his hand to scooters, keeping the well known Iso name. From this they progressed to the Isetta, a 236cc bike engine powered bubble car. This was built from 1953 to 55 (although licence production in other countries continued until 1964).

There was a delay before the next car arrived, and when it did it was a very different beast. The Rivolta was a two door, four seat rear-wheel drive saloon, powered by a 5359cc Chevrolet V8 ohv engine. This set the trend for future Iso's, with a chassis design by Bizzarrini, bodywork design by Bertone and the big Chevrolet engine.

Shortly afterwards the Grifo emerged from Iso's Milan factory. This used a similar engine and chassis to the Rivolta in a new two seat coupe body. The Fidia, which was introduced in 1967, was a four door, four seat saloon, still based on a similar combination of chassis and engine. The last production car from Iso was the Lele, a 2+2 coupe replacement for the Rivolta, still with basically the same engine and chassis.

In 1966 Renzo Rivolta, the man behind the company, passed away and his son Piero took control. The company made an ill-judged move into Formula One with Frank Williams and at about the same time the oil crisis hit. The combination of these events saw the closure of Iso in 1975.

Rivolta:

Iso Rivolta GT Introduced at the Turin Motorshow in 1962, the Rivolta was one of the early examples of Detroit meets Italy, with a front mounted Chevrolet 5358cc (101.6x82.55mm) ohv V8 driving the rear wheels through either an automatic transmission (also from Chevrolet) or a four speed manual from ZF and a bodywork designed and built by Bertone. The actual designer was Giugiaro whilst he was working for the latter company.

A separate boxed steel platform chassis frame was used, fitted with wishbones at the front and a de Dion layout at the back. Coil springs, hydraulic dampers and disc brakes (inboard at the rear) were to be found an all corners. The wheelbase was 2700mm whilst both the front and rear tracks were 1410mm and the empty weight was 1520kg.

Iso Rivolta GT cockpit Two versions, the IR300 and IR340, were built, the 300 and 340 referring to the power output of the engine, although various options were available, including a 365bhp version using an engine tuned in Italy and even a a four carburettor setup with 400bhp. A five speed transmission also became available during the cars production life. A total of 797 examples were built up until 1970 when production stopped.

It was available in white, grey (m), green (m), two blues, gold (m) and two reds (one m), those with (m) indicating metallic. The latter was an extra cost option, as were a leather interior, an electric sunroof, wirespoke wheels, wooden steering wheel (by Nardi) and air conditioning. Electric windows were standard.

Grifo:

Based heavily on the Rivolta, the Grifo was introduced in 1963 (click here to see the prototype) as the A3L. It used a slightly shorter wheelbase fitted with the same suspension, brakes, engines and transmissions, but clothed in an all new two door coupe body. The design was again by Bertone, but much more distinctive.

Over the years the Grifo was fitted with ever larger and more powerful versions of the Chevrolet engine, the ultimate 'Can Am' version using a 7.5 unit with nearly 400bhp (24 were built). A mild cosmetic facelift was also carried out in 1971 when the front became much lower (and supposedly more aerodynamic), and incorporated pop-up lights. Apart from the remodelled front, the only significant body variant was the targa version, of which only 17 were built. A Spider version was shown by Bertone at the 1964 Geneva Motorshow, but nothing came of the project. The last 37 cars used a 5.8-litre Ford engine.

Production continued until 1975 by which year Iso had built a total of 412 Grifo's.

To summarise, the engines used were :
5359cc (101.6x82.55mm) V8 with 300bhp @ 5,000rpm (later 350bhp @ 5,800rpm)
6998cc (107.95x95.5mm) V8 with 400bhp @ 5,200rpm
7443cc (107.95x101.6mm) V8 with 395bhp @ 4,800rpm (Can Am)
5733cc (101.6x88.39mm) V8 with 304bhp @ 4,800rpm (IR8)

The wheelbase remained constant at 2500mm, front and rear tracks at 1410mm. Braking was by discs all round, whilst the suspension employed an independent front setup and a de Dion layout at the back.

Fidia:

Iso FidiaThe next model to use the same chassis and mechanicals was the Fidia, introduced in 1967. This time the chassis was stretched slightly, and a four door saloon body designed by Ghia was added. The spacious interior was well equipped with such things as air conditioning etc.

Around one quarter of the 192 cars produced were fitted with a Ford 5.8 litre V8 instead of the Chevrolet unit. Production ceased in 1975.

Source: carsfromitaly.com

islero · 21st October 2007, 11:18

The Rivolta:
http://www.carsfromitaly.net/others/...lta_gt_200.jpg

The Grifo:
http://www.carsfromitaly.net/others/grifo7ltr200.jpg

The Fidia:
http://www.carsfromitaly.net/others/fidia200.jpg

Ram · 21st October 2007, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by islero

Ok guys, no response from your end.....

ID 375: is the Iso Fidia
... Fidia, introduced in 1967. This time the chassis was stretched slightly, and a four door saloon body designed by Ghia was added. The spacious interior was well equipped with such things as air conditioning etc.

Around one quarter of the 192 cars produced were fitted with a Ford 5.8 litre V8 instead of the Chevrolet unit. Production ceased in 1975.

Wow @islero.

Great find. Had us all foxed.

At first look, I thought of three other Italian high-performance 4-door sedans, based on stretched sports cars: the Pietro Frua designed Maserati Quattoporte, Monteverdi 375/4 and De Tomaso Deauville, but missed the Iso Fidia.

Ram

Ram · 21st October 2007, 13:59

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Originally Posted by ram

ID:376

Guess this beautiful red mass-produced four-door sedan.

ID:376 is a 1969 Ford Corcel from Brazil, South America.

This car was jointly developed by Willys-Overland do Brasil (WOB) and Renault (France).
The engine, transmission and mechanicals were designed in France by Renault. (So, somehow it's a distant uncle of our Logan?

)

The body and interior design were developed in Brazil by WOB.

In 1967 Ford to took over WOB’s operations, along with its Willys, Jeep and Renault vehicles.
Due to the world-wide success of the Mustang, Ford named this car also after a horse: Corcel (a swift running, war horse). It looked like a miniature version of the US Ford Maverick.

The Corcel was unveiled at the 1968 São Paulo Auto Show in November.

It was a base 4-door notchback sedan, powered by a front-mounted 1,289 cc OHV engine that developed 68 bhp @ 5,200 rpm driving the rear wheels through a 4-speed box.
A market success, Corcel sold 4,500 units in the first month in the market. It was sold in the Brazilian, Chilean and Venezuelan markets.

Ram

Cyrus43 · 21st October 2007, 14:52

you had us all confused there ram...it looks loke a mix breed between a couple of fiats and a lada....doesnt it?

islero · 21st October 2007, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram

At first look, I thought of three other Italian high-performance 4-door sedans, based on stretched sports cars: the Pietro Frua designed Maserati Quattoporte, Monteverdi 375/4 and De Tomaso Deauville, but missed the Iso Fidia.

Ram

I remember even Stratos guessing it to be of an Italian make.

Isnt it amazing how an enthusiast can immediately guess the nationality of a car even if one cannot exactly identify it at first? That is the beauty of car design, each country has developed its own design language over the century.
One cannot put a finger on what exactly distinguishes cars from design houses in different countries, but can somehow differentiate the design languages.

I find it amazing!!!

Cyrus43 · 21st October 2007, 17:01

ok ID:377

guess this nice looking red car

Cyrus43 · 21st October 2007, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by islero

I remember even Stratos guessing it to be of an Italian make.

Isnt it amazing how an enthusiast can immediately guess the nationality of a car even if one cannot exactly identify it at first? That is the beauty of car design, each country has developed its own design language over the century.
One cannot put a finger on what exactly distinguishes cars from design houses in different countries, but can somehow differentiate the design languages.

I find it amazing!!!

i second you on that islero..you can soo easily differentiate between a british..german..jap..italian..american..car....th ey have unique designs...and the italians are always the best..maybe because they drink a lot of wine?????

nitrous · 21st October 2007, 17:03

ID37 is the Vauxall Victor!
Our own conty!

Cyrus43 · 21st October 2007, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

ID37 is the Vauxall Victor!
Our own conty!

ahh..correct...just put it up for fun though..i wanted to see if anyone says contessa...

islero · 21st October 2007, 17:26

Spot on Nitrous!!! Good one!!!

islero · 21st October 2007, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYRUS43

i second you on that islero..you can soo easily differentiate between a british..german..jap..italian..american..car....th ey have unique designs...and the italians are always the best..maybe because they drink a lot of wine?????

The Japanese design language evolved relatively late compared to the others......but now they have their own language.......

I find it difficult to vote any one as having 'the best' design language, but I guess the most consistently beautiful cars do come from Italy.......

Ram · 21st October 2007, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYRUS43

ok ID:377
guess this nice looking red car

ID:377 is a 1972 Vauxhall Victor FE 2300 SL

No interior rear view mirror nor driver's door rear view mirror? Why?

In 1972, there was even a higher-end 3.3 litre six-cylinder engined version with a mouth-organ grille and quad headlamps.
That was called the Vauxhall Ventora.

Ram

V-16 · 22nd October 2007, 14:11

@ Ram and Islero- Both these cars were tough.
The Iso I had mixed up with a Maserati or the Lambo Espada but the espada's rear is very weird.
The Red Ford I was almost sure was a Renault of soem kind but could not pinpoint.
Great cars both, lets have soem more.
@ Speedy- Abbe tu woh Milano Car wali link bataega ke nahi??

islero · 22nd October 2007, 16:10

ID 378:

What is this beautiful coupe?

21st October 2007, 11:16	#1681
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Ok guys, no response from your end..... ID 375: is the Iso Fidia More about Iso: Before the second world war, Renzo Rivolta had built up a succssful company, Isothermos, building refrigerators. The 1940s saw him turn his hand to scooters, keeping the well known Iso name. From this they progressed to the Isetta, a 236cc bike engine powered bubble car. This was built from 1953 to 55 (although licence production in other countries continued until 1964). There was a delay before the next car arrived, and when it did it was a very different beast. The Rivolta was a two door, four seat rear-wheel drive saloon, powered by a 5359cc Chevrolet V8 ohv engine. This set the trend for future Iso's, with a chassis design by Bizzarrini, bodywork design by Bertone and the big Chevrolet engine. Shortly afterwards the Grifo emerged from Iso's Milan factory. This used a similar engine and chassis to the Rivolta in a new two seat coupe body. The Fidia, which was introduced in 1967, was a four door, four seat saloon, still based on a similar combination of chassis and engine. The last production car from Iso was the Lele, a 2+2 coupe replacement for the Rivolta, still with basically the same engine and chassis. In 1966 Renzo Rivolta, the man behind the company, passed away and his son Piero took control. The company made an ill-judged move into Formula One with Frank Williams and at about the same time the oil crisis hit. The combination of these events saw the closure of Iso in 1975. Rivolta: Iso Rivolta GT Introduced at the Turin Motorshow in 1962, the Rivolta was one of the early examples of Detroit meets Italy, with a front mounted Chevrolet 5358cc (101.6x82.55mm) ohv V8 driving the rear wheels through either an automatic transmission (also from Chevrolet) or a four speed manual from ZF and a bodywork designed and built by Bertone. The actual designer was Giugiaro whilst he was working for the latter company. A separate boxed steel platform chassis frame was used, fitted with wishbones at the front and a de Dion layout at the back. Coil springs, hydraulic dampers and disc brakes (inboard at the rear) were to be found an all corners. The wheelbase was 2700mm whilst both the front and rear tracks were 1410mm and the empty weight was 1520kg. Iso Rivolta GT cockpit Two versions, the IR300 and IR340, were built, the 300 and 340 referring to the power output of the engine, although various options were available, including a 365bhp version using an engine tuned in Italy and even a a four carburettor setup with 400bhp. A five speed transmission also became available during the cars production life. A total of 797 examples were built up until 1970 when production stopped. It was available in white, grey (m), green (m), two blues, gold (m) and two reds (one m), those with (m) indicating metallic. The latter was an extra cost option, as were a leather interior, an electric sunroof, wirespoke wheels, wooden steering wheel (by Nardi) and air conditioning. Electric windows were standard. Grifo: Based heavily on the Rivolta, the Grifo was introduced in 1963 (click here to see the prototype) as the A3L. It used a slightly shorter wheelbase fitted with the same suspension, brakes, engines and transmissions, but clothed in an all new two door coupe body. The design was again by Bertone, but much more distinctive. Over the years the Grifo was fitted with ever larger and more powerful versions of the Chevrolet engine, the ultimate 'Can Am' version using a 7.5 unit with nearly 400bhp (24 were built). A mild cosmetic facelift was also carried out in 1971 when the front became much lower (and supposedly more aerodynamic), and incorporated pop-up lights. Apart from the remodelled front, the only significant body variant was the targa version, of which only 17 were built. A Spider version was shown by Bertone at the 1964 Geneva Motorshow, but nothing came of the project. The last 37 cars used a 5.8-litre Ford engine. Production continued until 1975 by which year Iso had built a total of 412 Grifo's. To summarise, the engines used were : 5359cc (101.6x82.55mm) V8 with 300bhp @ 5,000rpm (later 350bhp @ 5,800rpm) 6998cc (107.95x95.5mm) V8 with 400bhp @ 5,200rpm 7443cc (107.95x101.6mm) V8 with 395bhp @ 4,800rpm (Can Am) 5733cc (101.6x88.39mm) V8 with 304bhp @ 4,800rpm (IR8) The wheelbase remained constant at 2500mm, front and rear tracks at 1410mm. Braking was by discs all round, whilst the suspension employed an independent front setup and a de Dion layout at the back. Fidia: Iso FidiaThe next model to use the same chassis and mechanicals was the Fidia, introduced in 1967. This time the chassis was stretched slightly, and a four door saloon body designed by Ghia was added. The spacious interior was well equipped with such things as air conditioning etc. Around one quarter of the 192 cars produced were fitted with a Ford 5.8 litre V8 instead of the Chevrolet unit. Production ceased in 1975. Source: carsfromitaly.com Last edited by islero : 21st October 2007 at 11:18.
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21st October 2007, 11:18	#1682
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	The Rivolta: http://www.carsfromitaly.net/others/...lta_gt_200.jpg The Grifo: http://www.carsfromitaly.net/others/grifo7ltr200.jpg The Fidia: http://www.carsfromitaly.net/others/fidia200.jpg
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21st October 2007, 14:52	#1685
Cyrus43 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,019 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	you had us all confused there ram...it looks loke a mix breed between a couple of fiats and a lada....doesnt it?
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21st October 2007, 17:01	#1687
Cyrus43 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,019 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	ok ID:377 guess this nice looking red car
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21st October 2007, 17:03	#1689
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 329 Times View My Garage	ID37 is the Vauxall Victor! Our own conty!
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21st October 2007, 17:26	#1691
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Spot on Nitrous!!! Good one!!!
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22nd October 2007, 14:11	#1694
V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,594 Thanked: 954 Times View My Garage	@ Ram and Islero- Both these cars were tough. The Iso I had mixed up with a Maserati or the Lambo Espada but the espada's rear is very weird. The Red Ford I was almost sure was a Renault of soem kind but could not pinpoint. Great cars both, lets have soem more. @ Speedy- Abbe tu woh Milano Car wali link bataega ke nahi?? Last edited by V-16 : 22nd October 2007 at 14:16.
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22nd October 2007, 16:10	#1695
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	ID 378: What is this beautiful coupe? Last edited by islero : 22nd October 2007 at 16:12.
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