[RahulNagaraj]

According to a new study, Toyota unsurprisingly has dominated the list of longest-lasting vehicles, claiming the top 5 positions among the top 10.

The longevity study also shows 6 Toyota models and 1 Lexus model in the top-10 list - translating to 70% of the top 10 long-lasting vehicles on the road being Toyota products.



The study defines long-lasting vehicles as those which can achieve 250,000 miles. Among them, the Toyota Tundra is ranked on top with a 36.6% (highest) chance of reaching the mileage figure - 4.2 times the average. The Toyota Sequoia, 4Runner, Tacoma and Highlander Hybrid complete the top 5 with 36.4%, 26.8%, 26.7% and 25.9% chances of reaching 250,000 miles. The Toyota Avalon came in eighth position with a 22% chance, while the Lexus GX was ninth with a 20.7% chance of hitting the given mileage figure. The Honda Ridgeline, Chevrolet Suburban, and Chevrolet Silverado 1500 completed the top 10.

The study also mentioned that in general, Toyota topped the list among brands. The study showed a 17% chance of any Toyota vehicle reaching 250,000 miles - double the industry average. Honda was second (13.6%), and Ram came third (11.5%).

The study, currently in its 11th year, reviewed 402 million vehicles to determine the longest-lasting model on American roads.

Source: iSeeCars via Forbes

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[Dr.AD]

Very interesting list. Thank you for sharing.

Toyota taking top 5 positions in this list is not at all surprising! Very well deserved and expected recognition of the longevity of Toyota cars!

However, what is surprising is that many American cars figure in this list, which are otherwise not known for their reliability.

Also, not a single European car in this list! Is that indeed the result of poor longevity or the study included only Japanese and American cars? Of course, European cars are not known for their reliability. But some of them are still better built and more reliable that some of the American cars mentioned in this list. Hence wondering about the scope of the study.

[Miyata]

Did I miss seeing the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado? Something then sure feels wrong!

[Jeroen]

Iseecars doesn’t share any details about the method they use. Other than it is based on odometer readings.

I assume they do some extrapolation, but I see no details on how they actually calculate and or what kind of criteria they are using.

All very vague and doesn’t inspire and trust or confidence.

If you ask a 1000 petrolhead to come up with such a list it is likely to be pretty similar. But I would like to see a bit more science brought to these claims.

Fact remains there are not that many cars around in the west with 250K miles on the odometer.

Typically those are found in for instance Africa! And I don’t think idee cars has access to reliable odometer readings from Africa.

So I don’t think any of these claims are based on any real life data, but all extrapolated in a non verifiable way.

Conclusion, useless data as it can’t be verified for what it actually means.

Jeroen

[PreludeSH]

Guess these based on number of vehicles still being driven with high mileage ?

Usually trucks and SUVs based on them are used for much longer time than cars. Could be why Camry or Accord will not be in top 10 compared to the trucks that are present in this list. People who use such trucks also care less about aesthetics, comfort and interior much less and all they need is a hauler that just works. They are also built tough to take abuse.

Just now saw this news. 2014 Accord run for 999,999 kms !

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/indi...726-2024-08-19

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by PreludeSH

Guess these based on number of vehicles still being driven with high mileage ?
.

Nope, not as far as I can tell from their website. See my earlier post, it’s all completely useless data, because they don’t detail how they calculate these rankings. They are projections based on unknown/undisclosed variables and assumptions.

The data appears reasonable to petrolheads but has no factual basis. There is only a small number of cars, also in the USA, that clock more than 250k miles. This is not about actual odometer readings at all, but about projections but they don’t tell us how they project

Jeroen

Useless

Jeroen

[BullettuPaandi]

Sharing a quote from their website, to add context to Jeroen's posts:

Methodology

iSeeCars.com analyzed data for over 402 million cars. The average odometer reading for each vehicle was calculated at each yearly age, and a proprietary model based on these average mileages was developed to estimate the probability that each vehicle would survive to various mileage thresholds. Heavy-duty vans and models with insufficient data were excluded from further analysis, except heavy-duty trucks were included for the truck-specific analysis.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by BullettuPaandi

Sharing a quote from their website, to add context to Jeroen's posts:

Thanks, as I said complete gibberish.

Jeroen

[Pontiac]

It is a known fact that most of the trucks are used close to 250K miles. This is also one of the reasons why they are so popular. You can find many trucks on sale with 200K+ miles on any used car lots or even on used car websites.

Looking at the report, what surprised me however was Chevrolet ranking higher than Ford. Suburban way up in the list while Expedition way down in the list.

[Karthik1100]

Originally Posted by RahulNagaraj

According to a new study, Toyota unsurprisingly has dominated the list of longest-lasting vehicles, claiming the top 5 positions among the top 10.

Only long lasting Toyota available in India is Camry? And other two available are from Honda. Honda CRV and Accord dominated Toyota.

Why didn't we indians see other models listed in India?

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Dr.AD

However, what is surprising is that many American cars figure in this list, which are otherwise not known for their reliability...Of course, European cars are not known for their reliability. But some of them are still better built and more reliable that some of the American cars mentioned in this list. Hence wondering about the scope of the study.

The Americans mentioned are BoF trucks/SUVs. Maybe not reliable as some Europeans, but definitely easier to work on. Also, most Europeans sold in USA are premium brands. People don't keep them long as they would trade in for the latest. Full size SUV/truck owners mostly run them to the ground than go for latest image booster.

Originally Posted by Miyata

Did I miss seeing the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado? Something then sure feels wrong!

Because this is a US market study and Prado is not sold there. The Lexus GX is the Prado that USA gets with a V8

Originally Posted by Pontiac

Looking at the report, what surprised me however was Chevrolet ranking higher than Ford. Suburban way up in the list while Expedition way down in the list.

Nope. Not surprising. GM has a poor track record regards to reliability and quality, but when it comes to full size SUVs they rule over Ford. The Suburbans/Yukons are all workhorses and fleet darlings. Expedition/Navigators are bought by people who want to stand out, more personal vehicle use and want latest tech. Ford usually pushes for latest tech, but they are also harder to work and fix. GM is more conservative and follows Ford than pioneer stuff, but they are easier to work on. More like our Bolero/Scorpio Classic. Not the last word in quality and are niggle prone. But does the work and are easier to repair.

[theqca]

My thoughts are this is restricted to a geography where ownership trends and road / climate conditions are very different from what we are used to.

It would be interesting to see a similar list for India.

Though I cant figure out how someone would differentiate between a vehicle that is still plying vs one that is actually roadworthy - for example an old vehicle still plying on some road in India is testimony to "desi jugad" and may not necessarily be a true reflection of build quality.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by theqca

Though I cant figure out how someone would differentiate between a vehicle that is still plying vs one that is actually roadworthy - for example an old vehicle still plying on some road in India is testimony to "desi jugad" and may not necessarily be a true reflection of build quality.

That is not how this list is compiled it is not about cars having such actual high mileage. It’s a silly prediction, based on undisclosed parameters.

Jeroen

[theqca]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

That is not how this list is compiled it is not about cars having such actual high mileage. It’s a silly prediction, based on undisclosed parameters.

Jeroen

Well then I am in agreement with your comment in a post above Jeroen - complete gibberish

Might just help some manufacturer in adding a line like longest lasting vehicle in an advert / brochure from a marketing perspective but I don't see any real value in it for an automobile enthusiast or a potential buyer.

What I feel would make sense is a proper list with clearly defined parameters / criteria without a fan boy element or any monetary exchange from car makers and transparency on parameters etc

@mods - this forum a has car of the year and list of cars which were named cars of the year based on votes.
Maybe a list of top 10 cars in India in the past 10 years could be done in phases based on clearly defined categories & parameters like reliability / efficiency / safety / popularity / ease of maintenance / costs etc. That to me might make really good reading.

[SmartCat]

Originally Posted by BullettuPaandi

Sharing a quote from their

Originally Posted by Jeroen

Thanks, as I said complete gibberish.

My interpretation :

This is just a list of cars/brands that owners (both current & future) are likely to see (probability) 250,000 miles on the clock, before being scrapped. It is a simply a list of cars with average miles covered per year, in descending order.

In India's case, Toyota Innova will top the list, simply because they clock huge number of kms a year on an average. So if we are to make a similar list, we will probably see -

Toyota Innova
Maruti DZire (Ola/Uber favorite)
Toyota Fortuner
.
.

and so on.

It does not mean a Hyundai i10 cannot last for 250,000 kms. It's just that based on kms run so far, these models are less likely to see 250,000 kms on the clock, before being scrapped.