[Humane India]

Title :- Will I ever go back to an ICE car ?

Response :- Only when we prove that the earth is a flat surface !!
Reason :- These surveys are purely biased and hugely sponsored by Oil Industry lobbies by paying these MNCs via kickbacks !!

Context :-

- I own a VW Jetta 2.0 TDI since 2011 and have been driving it with an analytical mind like a geek to come to a conclusion what true engineering is and how a car must have great driving dynamics along with a great engine-transmission combo
- Recently we got a MG ZS EV and been driving it the same analytical angle since then, thereby testing its endurance in terms of range and driving dynamics

Comparative Observations :-

1. Sheer Driving Pleasure
- Am I driving an EV just to save a few bucks ? The answer is a big NO as EVs are just buttery smooth to drive compared to an ICE car
- The power delivery from the drivetrain is so smooth that you can drive 30% more in a day on highway without feeling fatigued
- Even when compared to a CVT, TC OR DSG, the EV drive like roller skates and you do not feel the difference in inertia much compared to ICE powertrains
- The centre of gravity in an EV is far more balanced and optimal comapred to any front or rear mounted engined car. Hence the driving dynamics of the car feels much more planted comapred to an ICE
- When the regen settings are set to the highest, the single pedal driving cuts 80% use of the brake pedal and the braking effect on the more than 1.5 ton car feels much more balanced compared to an ICE
- Being a hardcore German Engineering fan of powertrain and transmission combo of ICE cars, this EV has already taken me away in love of EVs

2. Economical Aspects
- At home charging rates of any discom of any state, an EV saves a minimum of Rs. 5.50 per kilometer (illustration Attached)
- Anyone who has the luxury of solar installed MUST look at EVs seriously if their commute is routined 80% of the days i.e Point A to B travels AS they will be driving free and saving almost Rs. 7 per kilometer
- The Indian mentality that is observed with regards to EVs is - What if I want to travel to an outstation with an EV ? People with a routined commute like from home to office 5 days of a week, say from Delhi to Gurgaon with 80 km a day, ignore the benefits of saving fuel cost of minimum 400 km commute for a work week and reject an EV outright for those 2 days of weekend travel plans. That is like almost like ignoring saving of Rs. 2000/- a week (Crunch the numbers of monthly savings as per individual commute)
- Even on weekend if you want to travel, the first 300 kms will be free as the residual charge from previous day and the overnight charging from the slowest charging rate from 11 PM to 7 AM previous night is more than 35% daily - So the car will never be out of juice even with tortoise charging, let alone 3.3 kW or 7.4 kW options of fast AC charging
- Even if you travel long distances on weekend, there are plenty of DC fast chargers on the highways than can charge your car fully while you have lunch/dinner stop - which is anyway 35-45 minutes even in an ICE car
- The lack of too many moving parts in an EV compared to an ICE car makes the maintenance easy on the pocket. The cost of maintenanc of an EV is one-third compared to any low maintenance ICE car like Maruti/Hyundai
- The tyres have a longer life span than an ICE car due to low rolling resistance in most cases and the brake pads and discs last even longer if one cracks the technique to use motor regen optimally

3. Battery Concerns
- Most of the LFP batteries offered in e4w cars like Tata, Mahindra & MG have a standard warranty of minimum 8 years OR 1,50,000 km or more
- The biggest concern you get to hear from people who are about to buy an EV or for the best past time of people who do not even plan to own or own an EV and just want to pass on misinformation is - WHAT IS THE COST FOR REPLACEMENT OF BATTERY AFTER WARRANTY PERIOD ?
- First of all, the whole battery is battery is never replaced unless and untill the whole circuit of the battery is damaged
- Think of battery like a bunch of grape, only the bad module of the battery will get thrown away and replaced with a new module/bunch AND not the whole battery pack
- There are reports of cars in USA that people are driving more than 3L miles and for more than 8-10 years and still their EVs are running with more than 85% battery hold capacity
- So it is a clear myth that the batteries would not last long or the whole battery pack has to be replaced with a huge cost post warranty period

4. Mindset
- This is perhaps the biggest thorn in the adoption story of EVs worldwide
- Either people do not study well before buying an EV or they get discouraged due to ill advice of laymans understanding
- People buying an EV must think like a modern youngster, be curiositive about the ecosystem, the techniques to drive this new technology, be more collaborative and learn from co-owners of EV
- A person who is not ready to think beyond the traditional approaches of Petrol/Diesel should - NEVER BUY AN EV EVER - because they will always find a reason to blame upon buying it

I urge people not to fall in traps of such reports and move towards a brand new change of liyestyle of smooth driving with an aim to contribute in the global story of reducing pollution caused because a few greedy people want to earn billions of dollars for themselves

" Switch To An EV asap"

[Guna]

There is already another poll/thread asking EV owners if their next purchase is going to be an EV again
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...egretting.html

[SmartCat]

V.Narayan has created a far more comprehensive poll, that should capture 'customer satisfaction' & also use case (highway/city) of EV owners on team-bhp. Please continue the discussion here:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...egretting.html

[AMG Power]

A recent survey conducted by Business Today indicated 51% want to switch back to ICE.

The survey, which was done on 500 EV car owners in major cities like Delhi NCR, Mumbai, and Bangalore, revealed that 88% of EV owners experience more anxiety about finding accessible, safe, and working charging stations than about the range of their vehicles. Despite over 20,000 EV charging stations in India, visibility and accessibility remain major concerns

The main reason the 51% of EV owners expressed a preference to switch back to (ICE) vehicles was due to everyday hassles associated with EV ownership. The industry is still learning how to handle secondhand EVs, a survey by Park+, a leading app for car owners showed in its findings.

73% of EV owners find maintenance costs to be unclear. Many reported that local mechanics struggled with minor issues, and they couldn’t get second opinions on repair costs.

33% of respondents noted a significant drop in the resale value of their EVs. The resale value is expected to improve as the EV ecosystem matures, but currently, there is no widespread test to determine the quality of an EV's battery, which makes up 30% of the vehicle's value.








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