[mahadev_kc]

Autocar india nov issue mentioning that there were some quality issues wrt power steering pump, hence lot of delay in delivering the vehicles..

Originally Posted by TeddyBear

Total vehicle sales at 39,729 nos

The car continues to have a 6-week waiting period, and the company is ramping up production every month to meet the pending demand.

[vasudeva]

Have posted Oct 2008 domestic sales here. Cannot give comments since I am in a hurry but it is totally dark and as noted in Sep 2008, it could get worse.

[oss]

Civic has taken a beating after the launch of Corola Altis. NHC is down as expected, but not sure if they will ever regain the numbers with the ANHC.

First i thought the overall fall in the numbers are not much to worry, but then realising that it was the festival month, is this all they could sell

Scary

[amit]

From glancing at the sheet posted:

- Fiat Palio has outsold the Skoda Fabia.
- Only 707 units of the NHC were sold.
- 1329 units of mid-size Ford (Ikon and Fiesta) compared to 2968 of Hyundai's (Accent and Verna). The Verna seems to have silently overtaken the Fiesta and is consolidating it's lead every month.
- Altis sales have tapered to 1110 units after the initial post-launch euphoria.
- Civic is sinking. It's down to 422 units now.

Can someone explain the UV segment? <3.5 Tons with < 7 passengers for GM is showing 487 units. I am guessing that's the Tavera while for Honda it's 103 units (CRV?) and Maruti is at 28 (GV?). In the <3.5 Tons with 7-9 passengers, GM is showing at 92 units. Is that the Captiva?

[hondadude]

Originally Posted by vasudeva

Have posted Oct 2008 domestic sales here. Cannot give comments since I am in a hurry but it is totally dark and as noted in Sep 2008, it could get worse.

Pretty bad scene out there in auto industry in India. Some observations

- GM is in trouble in India as well. Combined sales of Optra and Aveo is less than 500
- Cedia + lancer < 500 as well
- Octavia + laura sales fell to their lowest in last three years!
- Among the big guns, only Hyundai seems to be doing better compared to Oct, 2007.

If auto sector doesn't improve (and there is little hope that it would, in short term), the impact would be far and wide. Today I was talking to someone and he was saying that sales of CVs at Tata and Ashok Leyland have dropped significantly. Does anyone have access to CV sales numbers?

[AMATMO]

are the skoda sales including the vw sales?

[rangaraj]

Originally Posted by amit

Can someone explain the UV segment? <3.5 Tons with < 7 passengers for GM is showing 487 units. I am guessing that's the Tavera while for Honda it's 103 units (CRV?) and Maruti is at 28 (GV?). In the <3.5 Tons with 7-9 passengers, GM is showing at 92 units. Is that the Captiva?

- For Maruti, it would include the Gypsy as well besides the GV. Dont know about the omni/versa..

[diffsoft]

Originally Posted by AMATMO

are the skoda sales including the vw sales?

Doubtful because they operate independently - anyway VW sales will likely be a tiny blob (some single digit Passat and double digit Jetta)

[diffsoft]

Looks like Skoda has managed to sell a helluva lot of Superb - 110. Read in BS Weekend a guy being offered Superb at Rs 17 lakhs by the dealer! Now that's a big steal.

Cheers,

[vasudeva]

For 10/2008, all segments have reported a decline on year on year (yoy) basis.
Call centre/BPO/transport business has been badly hit because of obvious reasons.
GM has managed to sell >5K of Spark/UVA. That has compensated for huge declines in other segments. Sorry to say that GM is replacing sales of Rs. 7 lakh cars/MUVs with sales of Rs. 3 lakh cars. That is not growth and certainly not profit.
Honda's market share perhaps the lowest in a long time. New City should ideally do well but iffy in this market? Same for Altis.
Hyundai has sold less i10 and same, and exported huge numbers in 10/08. Not likely to continue doing so.
Look at the yoy collapse in the so far immune luxury segment-BMW/Merc. Seems like the top management itself is getting scared.
On a yoy basis, gains (single digit that is) for only GM and Tata. Others include BMW and ICML. Rest have all reported yoy declines with huge declines for Honda, Ford, Toyota, and Maruti.

[vasudeva]

Originally Posted by hondadude

Today I was talking to someone and he was saying that sales of CVs at Tata and Ashok Leyland have dropped significantly. Does anyone have access to CV sales numbers?

First statement is 100% true. I have access to CV numbers also. Trucks/bus down by 50% (yoy) and LCVs down by 20%.

Even the 2W segment which was recovering has stalled with sharp decline for motorcycles.

Overall, the industry should be in a bad shape for 200809. Good thing is that steel and other inputs are also declining. Some relief for decent drivers (like me?) who have to wrestle with call centre drivers on Delhi-Gurgaon.

[Technocrat]

Some sales figures as reported in today's TOI

[TeddyBear]

Thanks Vasudeva,
Any stats about B2 hatch Like Vista & Swift numbers in October?

I also assume that Above 4Meter figures for Tata includes Indigo CS.

[extreme_torque]

Palio hit a high of 550 units in June 2008 and has declined and come down to 350 units a month.... Vista effect?

[amit]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Palio hit a high of 550 units in June 2008 and has declined and come down to 350 units a month.... Vista effect?

Palio sales have actually gone up after the Vista launch from 234 units in Sept to 364 in October.

It's anyway extremely difficult to gauge Palio sales just like it's difficult to understand which way the stock markets will go